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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28772237 - 05/12/24 08:05 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Hmm. I don't necessarily thing that respect for others and not making jokes at the expense of minorities is completely status quo yet, but I will buy it for the sake of argument. In that case, conservatives are, in theory, counterculture. I don't like giving them that label, though, because conservatives have a very long history of co-opting leftist language with the intention of tricking people. See: Nazis calling themselves socialists, the current attempts to turn "woke" or "DEI" or "CRT" into a bad word, etc. This is, again, a failure of imagination on the conservative side. They can only take concepts from the left and try to poison them.

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I also don't have much issue with conservatives boycotting disney as a whole. That is entirely their prerogative. Just like I routinely boycott explicitly conservative businesses, or businesses that I see as incongruent with my worldview, they should have the right to do that as well.

I also fully acknowledge that very few people are actually willing to stick with a boycott, to the point where I doubt that boycotts seriously affect the bottom line of businesses. Many people that I consider to be fairly left wing can't seem resist the temptation of homophobic chicken for very long.

Do I feel a certain moral vindication when boycotting something? Yes. But I also don't really talk about it very often. I began my boycott of chic-fil-a in 2012. This is probably the sixth or seventh time I'm discussing it in twelve years. One time I discussed it because I was part of a group that decided to go to chic-fil-a, and people questioned me when I dipped out and went to the panera across the street instead of getting chic-fil-a. Another time I discussed it when someone brought in chic-fil-a and questioned why I didn't eat any. It's not really something I normally work into conversation. Conservatives seem to like to work their beliefs into conversation fairly often.

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Freedom is a fun concept. For some people, it means the freedom to do what you want, short of harming the freedom of another. For other people, it means the freedom to do what you ought to do.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
    #28773158 - 05/13/24 03:02 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I think that conservatism, without regards to fiscal policy or traditional mores, is a meaningless catchall -- like the junk drawer or basket of deplorables. Wherever liberals eat their own, or the neocons court more voters, that is the alt right.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008]
    #28773632 - 05/13/24 11:55 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

No the alt right is fascists.

They are the 'alternative' approach to applying conservative policy.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Kryptos]
    #28773961 - 05/14/24 09:41 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Blacks adopted Trump, when they were offered more payoffs than newcomers. And, TURF lesbians against transsexuals.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28781028 - 05/20/24 08:28 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

liberals are gay.

figuratively and literally gay.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #28781039 - 05/20/24 08:44 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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liberals are gay.

figuratively and literally gay.




And, "log cabin" Republicans.



Republicans call it "state's rights":

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008]
    #28781056 - 05/20/24 08:58 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

I think counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" are the new conservatives.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008]
    #28781060 - 05/20/24 09:00 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

"counter-culture" is the new mainstream culture.

Ever been to a drag brunch?  It's just suburban soccer moms.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #28781070 - 05/20/24 09:09 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Not as a participant, protestor, or armed guard with an itchy trigger finger.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008]
    #28781077 - 05/20/24 09:15 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

disgusting.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy]
    #28781082 - 05/20/24 09:22 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

If you sincerely respect someone as being from an oppressed victim class (but, I think this is cabaret) then, don't use them as bait dogs, to incite police statists.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28781084 - 05/20/24 09:25 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

life advice from durian:cookiemonster:

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy]
    #28781090 - 05/20/24 09:33 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

I don't want to self harm or harm others over burlesque.

Why aren't people allowed to be innocent.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008]
    #28781093 - 05/20/24 09:36 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

then dont:shrug:

and good question why cant you just leave these people alone?

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy]
    #28781117 - 05/20/24 09:58 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Quote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby

The term tar baby has come to refer to a problem that is exacerbated by attempts to struggle with it, or by extension to a situation in which mere contact can lead to becoming inextricably involved.




I can know that some philosophical minority exists without using that person as a chaos agent to provoke civil unrest.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008]
    #28781124 - 05/20/24 10:13 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Quote:

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chaos agent to provoke civil unrest.




yes the dudes dressing in womens clothing is provoking you to violence we know.
:whateveryousayfreak:

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy]
    #28781131 - 05/20/24 10:27 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)



Bricks like crisis actors are used for bait. Do not take the bait. 

Quote:

mushboy said:
yes the dudes dressing in womens clothing is provoking you to violence we know.




Quote:

durian_2008 said:
Not as a participant, protestor, or armed guard with an itchy trigger finger.




If you respect someone's cognitive liberty, don't make them pariahs.

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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28781133 - 05/20/24 10:30 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Quote:

mushboy said:
life advice from durian:cookiemonster:



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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: mushboy]
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Re: I think conservatives are the new counter culture/snowflakes/ "woke" [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28782687 - 05/21/24 03:30 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

This is kinda what I was trying to get at earlier, OP: the idea that conservatives are "counter culture" feels like it requires accepting that "beating minorities with baseball bats while chanting Nazi slogans" and "wanting people to respect your existence" are morally equivalent positions.

You sort of see this in the last few posts--people are equating trans people no longer pretending to be something they are not for social acceptance as roughly equivalent to violent repression.

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