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Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? * 1
    #28764112 - 05/06/24 01:17 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

I had 7 cakes running and apparently PF tek is not as foolproof as it's touted.

I've got side pins in some, without full mycelium colonization.





I hope that the first picture shows side pins growing into the jar, and not something worse.

Also, possibly a dry jar(micellium only grows to the bottom)



Contentious contaminated container?



I think I shoulda packed the jars tightly, like pressing the flour vermiculite mix with something. I tapped repeatedly the jars so excess air escaped but it wasn't enough it seems.

Is this fine? or salvageable? Or should I start over?
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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? [Re: mush_monkey] * 2
    #28764117 - 05/06/24 01:19 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Sounds like you got some cake fracturing/sectoring going on. I would birth the pinning jars and just remove the uncolonized sections then fruit the partial cakes as is.


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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28764149 - 05/06/24 01:43 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Thank you! Do I dunk and roll the partial cakes too?


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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28764183 - 05/06/24 02:12 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

If they already have pins, I would not dunk or roll them as it will likely kill the growing pins. I would bottom-water them instead. But u could pick the pins off then dunk and roll if you wanna go that route.

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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28764274 - 05/06/24 03:36 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Excuse if I'm a bit dense but bottom watering is just place the cakes on something with like
half an inch of water, right. I'm assuming that the rolling is to prevent the mycelium from drying and when you don't have the coir vermiculite cover, you hydrate the mycelium this way. Is that correct? I still need to put them in a water chamber or similar, yrs?

Also, maybe I'm being too dense, but if clean the uncolonized substrate, would the cake have a too irregular shape for it to be able to stand on anything. For instance



This would have no base right?


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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? [Re: mush_monkey] * 2
    #28764630 - 05/06/24 08:23 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

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Excuse if I'm a bit dense but bottom watering is just place the cakes on something with like
half an inch of water, right. I'm assuming that the rolling is to prevent the mycelium from drying and when you don't have the coir vermiculite cover, you hydrate the mycelium this way. Is that correct? I still need to put them in a water chamber or similar, yrs?

Also, maybe I'm being too dense, but if clean the uncolonized substrate, would the cake have a too irregular shape for it to be able to stand on anything. For instance



This would have no base right?




Yes, thats the idea behind bottom watering.  Dunking or heavy misting would likely damage the pins you already have.

The dunk and roll (in coir or verm) is to provide better surface conditions for future growth.

Yes, it will still go into a water tub to fruit.

It doesn't matter if you have a 'base' to your cake.  Lay it on it's side or top or whatever keeps it from rolling around and let it fruit - the orientation doesn't matter.

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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? [Re: PBJ710] * 1
    #28765330 - 05/07/24 02:31 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Just to show y'all I am nothing if not coachable, I've officially become one of them people who gives birth.



I've put two cakes on a petri dishes with water, in a container, then in a shoebox with water on the bottom.

I intend to keep the shoebox covered until mushrooms are too big and then, I don't know, maybe a huge Ziploc bag or a dubtub like thin with another shoebox.

I have another cake I prolly should birthed but maybe I,ll try and dunl roll it.


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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? (nope, just different) [Re: mush_monkey] * 1
    #28765338 - 05/07/24 02:48 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Correct. That is bottom-watering. The wet verm rolling is to provide a microclimate for the mycelium to grow pins/fruits. And yes, a water chamber is needed to create that high-humidity.

Any side of the cake can be the base, as long as it doesnt roll over, its fine in any position really.

I typically put the least colonized part on the bottom of my fruiting container.

Aa for your pic above, Id probably flip the cakes over but it can fruit fine as well just like that. :shrug:

And I saw your OP about "packing too tight". What can happen when you pack to tight is the substrate can dry out before the mycelium colonizes the entire cake so the mycelium will take "short-cuts" thru the cake (cake segregation) which encourages this premature fruiting.

Its important to lightly pack your cakes so its cohesive in the jar but not too compacted for the mycelium to colonize efficiently.


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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? (nope, just different) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28766715 - 05/08/24 03:33 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Thank you! Another thing, if I may. I'm guessing that when pins start appearing, mycelium stops growing. Is that correct?


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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? (nope, just different) [Re: mush_monkey] * 1
    #28766975 - 05/08/24 06:27 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Not necessarily. They can grow simutanously, such as "fuzzy feet" (mycelium growing at the base of fruits).

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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? (nope, just different) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28767052 - 05/08/24 07:20 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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Mushrooms are really just a special type of mycelium


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Re: Cake Catastrophe - Is everything ruined? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28770143 - 05/11/24 03:50 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

This bottom watering thing is great, although I have to do it once a day minimum. I'm doing it with a grow kit I bought more than a month ago that it's on its 6th flush, an it's looking better than the 5th.



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