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The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict * 1
    #28762066 - 05/04/24 08:10 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

So these guys are all about their land, right? They're God's chosen people and God gave them their land.

Cool. We can work with that. I propose a sizeable bulldozer to just scoop the top, say, half a mile of soil from all the land Israel claims, load it on a space ship, and send them to colonize the outer reaches of the solar system.

(a) they get their land
(b) They get their colonial project
(c) Peace in the Middle East
(d) Think of the scientific progress this project would push!

Edit: AND Israelis can be satisfied knowing that Palestine is now several hundred feet below sea level, so they have to dig some dutch ditches. So they get to leave with a final fuck you to Palestine! That's gotta be worth something.

Edited by Kryptos (05/04/24 08:12 PM)

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28762083 - 05/04/24 08:21 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

I think we should just bulldoze the entire land mass, like with a nuclear powered earth mover....exactly like "from the river to the sea"; make it really flat and open.


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28762247 - 05/04/24 11:55 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Kryptos has my vote... the problem with nukes is.. the radioactive waste they shower all over the place...


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Kryptos]
    #28762359 - 05/05/24 05:43 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)

It's not just about Israel, or the Jewish lobby here. American Christians are pretty one-sided on the issue, and that seldom gets mentioned in the progressive argument. That's a whole lot to go up against, and won't change any time soon.


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28762825 - 05/05/24 12:15 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Agreed, which is why a simple two state solution won't work. This needs to be epic, as if revelations is actually happening and the Jews are actually being massacred by the antichrist to keep the American Christians happy.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Kryptos]
    #28766557 - 05/08/24 01:09 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Quote:

I propose a sizeable bulldozer to just scoop the top, say, half a mile of soil from all the land Israel claims




Do you scoop, wherever there is a demonstration?

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28769377 - 05/10/24 02:28 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

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I propose a sizeable bulldozer to just scoop the top, say, half a mile of soil from all the land Israel claims




Do you scoop, wherever there is a demonstration?



No!
Just the democrats, blm, antifa, Palestine...the govt sponsored ones, done by the feckless govt funded crew
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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: curenado]
    #28769860 - 05/10/24 08:36 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Opening up arms shipments to Islamists (who were losing) and shutting down arms shipments to Israelis (who were winning) seems like a way of keeping the conflict going longer.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Kryptos]
    #28769929 - 05/10/24 09:24 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

I dig it.

What exactly makes the holy land holy, what kind of properties distinguish it from that of any other land?

How does anyone taking claims about holy lands seriously not notice the answer is there is no answer to the question .

Besides it being all being mistaken / mind malarkey…


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28769966 - 05/10/24 09:45 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

If you believe in the Bible, which God is better can proven at the time of his choosing.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: durian_2008]
    #28770008 - 05/10/24 10:24 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

I believe it is has some value as a quasi historical / mythic-fantasy book.
Especially good for guiding peoples thinking by giving their minds something to attach to so as to direct behavior.

And that it presents to keen minds as one of the greater lessons in human life about the nature of illusoriness, delusion, and ignorance — specifically, by relying upon and being based in those very things themselves.


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28770136 - 05/11/24 03:27 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
I dig it.

What exactly makes the holy land holy, what kind of properties distinguish it from that of any other land?

How does anyone taking claims about holy lands seriously not notice the answer is there is no answer to the question .

Besides it being all being mistaken / mind malarkey…




The holy land is holy, because Israel dropped a billion bombs on it..


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28770169 - 05/11/24 05:46 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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The Blind Ass said:
I dig it.

What exactly makes the holy land holy, what kind of properties distinguish it from that of any other land?

How does anyone taking claims about holy lands seriously not notice the answer is there is no answer to the question .

Besides it being all being mistaken / mind malarkey…




The holy land is holy, because Israel dropped a billion bombs on it..




It is therefore, hole-y?


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Milleresque]
    #28770195 - 05/11/24 06:29 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Yes.

Uggg ugggugugg uggg!  :popeye:


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28772680 - 05/13/24 08:06 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I think if Israel is serious about peace they wouldn't have planted 700,000 illegal settlers on the West Bank, think they killed 230 people there in the last year, there's no Hamas there. They continue bulldozing Palestinian homes there. It's simple to anyone who wants to see it, they want all the land and no two-state solution. It's a slow extermination. Shameful the U.S. is funding and supporting it.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Tiocfaidh Armani]
    #28772709 - 05/13/24 08:25 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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I think if Israel is serious about peace they wouldn't have planted 700,000 illegal settlers on the West Bank, think they killed 230 people there in the last year, there's no Hamas there. They continue bulldozing Palestinian homes there. It's simple to anyone who wants to see it, they want all the land and no two-state solution. It's a slow extermination. Shameful the U.S. is funding and supporting it.




Shameful. Utterly.


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Tiocfaidh Armani]
    #28772790 - 05/13/24 09:39 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Tiocfaidh Armani said:
I think if Israel is serious about peace they wouldn't have planted 700,000 illegal settlers on the West Bank, think they killed 230 people there in the last year, there's no Hamas there. They continue bulldozing Palestinian homes there. It's simple to anyone who wants to see it, they want all the land and no two-state solution. It's a slow extermination. Shameful the U.S. is funding and supporting it.



Police in america killed 172 citizens by march of this year.  I think they average about a thousand a year.  Why does just saying what you said make what you implied it to be as out of line?  It may be or may not be out of line based on if crime was involved.  This is in both places but might be due to reason different then you attribute the reasons to be.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: gww] * 1
    #28772801 - 05/13/24 09:45 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Yeah, that's because US police are pretty uniquely violent.

Palestinians in the west bank are routinely killed by paramilitary settlers that roll up, set their shit on fire, and then shoot anybody that tries to put out the fires. Or rip up their crops and shoot anybody that tries to stop them.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Kryptos]
    #28772802 - 05/13/24 09:47 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Yeah, that's because US police are pretty uniquely violent.

Palestinians in the west bank are routinely killed by paramilitary settlers that roll up, set their shit on fire, and then shoot anybody that tries to put out the fires. Or rip up their crops and shoot anybody that tries to stop them.




Violent, poorly trained, and equipped with lethal weaponry.


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Kryptos]
    #28772805 - 05/13/24 09:48 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

We also are comparing 400M people to 700k.  Seems kind of uneven.


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Ice9]
    #28772842 - 05/13/24 10:12 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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We also are comparing 400M people to 700k.  Seems kind of uneven.



Maybe.  I know places in america that have had zero and others that have had many and if we went with the 700,000 populace, there may be a comparable place with similar numbers due to some cause. My guess if we found such a place is that economics might be involved.  I am not even contesting that it might be found that the conclusion reached by the poster has merit.  But I am not sure that numbers are not being put together wrong either.  It is easy to do.  I am not calling anybody a liar but saying caution and critical thinking might be required rather then just face value based on presentation with out enough context to be sure.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: gww]
    #28772972 - 05/13/24 12:29 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Seattle has a population of ~750k.  91 officer involved shootings with 43 fatalities over the last 20 years
https://www.seattle.gov/police/information-and-data/data/use-of-force-data/officer-involved-shootings-dashboard

I will go out on a limb and say No single place in the US with a population of ~700k has had 230 people killed by police in a year in the US in recent memory.  Maybe I am wrong, but seems really really unlikely. :shrug:


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Ice9]
    #28773060 - 05/13/24 01:39 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I will give that you are probably right though the population of the west bank is 3 million.  The 700,000 is the jewish part by palistine numbers but 500,000 something, something part by the state of Israel numbers and I am pretty sure it is not the jewish part being referred to when the 230 killings is mentioned though I don't know where that number came from and have not checked to see how valid it is or the make up of them. One article from the year 2022.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/palestinians-killed-west-bank-israel/

  Secondly, I am not sure if it is police or military doing the killing.  It is claimed that 895 lost their lives trying to cross the mexican border.  I am not saying the mexican border is the same. 
Some protesters are using explosive devices and the military is using bullets.  Both are claiming self defense. 
If new mexico had a 3,000,000 they would have had about 51 deaths by police.  Maybe not the same but not the same situation either but maybe the same excuses.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/14/1169480686/police-killings-new-mexico-gun-ownership
It would be nice if things were completely simple but it may not be so.

Edit, I rushed and it is actually Wyoming that would have had 51 deaths if the population was the same, new mexico was second.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: gww]
    #28773113 - 05/13/24 02:17 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

My theory is that they give just as much assistance to each side, as is required to make it even.

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    #28773144 - 05/13/24 02:43 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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My theory is that they give just as much assistance to each side, as is required to make it even.




Your theory is wildly inaccurate.


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28773152 - 05/13/24 02:54 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

The US shames it's protectorate, Israel, from which it withholds arms, and lifts embargoes against it's presumptive enemy, the intifada.

Is consistency asking for too much?

Or, neutrality?

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    #28773629 - 05/13/24 11:54 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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I will give that you are probably right though the population of the west bank is 3 million.  The 700,000 is the jewish part by palistine numbers but 500,000 something, something part by the state of Israel numbers and I am pretty sure it is not the jewish part being referred to when the 230 killings is mentioned though I don't know where that number came from and have not checked to see how valid it is or the make up of them. One article from the year 2022.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/palestinians-killed-west-bank-israel/

  Secondly, I am not sure if it is police or military doing the killing.  It is claimed that 895 lost their lives trying to cross the mexican border.  I am not saying the mexican border is the same. 
Some protesters are using explosive devices and the military is using bullets.  Both are claiming self defense. 
If new mexico had a 3,000,000 they would have had about 51 deaths by police.  Maybe not the same but not the same situation either but maybe the same excuses.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/14/1169480686/police-killings-new-mexico-gun-ownership
It would be nice if things were completely simple but it may not be so.

Edit, I rushed and it is actually Wyoming that would have had 51 deaths if the population was the same, new mexico was second.




Wyoming doesn't need police assistance, their population is doing plenty fine shooting themselves.

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