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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Ice9]
    #28772842 - 05/13/24 10:12 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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We also are comparing 400M people to 700k.  Seems kind of uneven.



Maybe.  I know places in america that have had zero and others that have had many and if we went with the 700,000 populace, there may be a comparable place with similar numbers due to some cause. My guess if we found such a place is that economics might be involved.  I am not even contesting that it might be found that the conclusion reached by the poster has merit.  But I am not sure that numbers are not being put together wrong either.  It is easy to do.  I am not calling anybody a liar but saying caution and critical thinking might be required rather then just face value based on presentation with out enough context to be sure.

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: gww]
    #28772972 - 05/13/24 12:29 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Seattle has a population of ~750k.  91 officer involved shootings with 43 fatalities over the last 20 years
https://www.seattle.gov/police/information-and-data/data/use-of-force-data/officer-involved-shootings-dashboard

I will go out on a limb and say No single place in the US with a population of ~700k has had 230 people killed by police in a year in the US in recent memory.  Maybe I am wrong, but seems really really unlikely. :shrug:


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Ice9]
    #28773060 - 05/13/24 01:39 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I will give that you are probably right though the population of the west bank is 3 million.  The 700,000 is the jewish part by palistine numbers but 500,000 something, something part by the state of Israel numbers and I am pretty sure it is not the jewish part being referred to when the 230 killings is mentioned though I don't know where that number came from and have not checked to see how valid it is or the make up of them. One article from the year 2022.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/palestinians-killed-west-bank-israel/

  Secondly, I am not sure if it is police or military doing the killing.  It is claimed that 895 lost their lives trying to cross the mexican border.  I am not saying the mexican border is the same. 
Some protesters are using explosive devices and the military is using bullets.  Both are claiming self defense. 
If new mexico had a 3,000,000 they would have had about 51 deaths by police.  Maybe not the same but not the same situation either but maybe the same excuses.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/14/1169480686/police-killings-new-mexico-gun-ownership
It would be nice if things were completely simple but it may not be so.

Edit, I rushed and it is actually Wyoming that would have had 51 deaths if the population was the same, new mexico was second.

Edited by gww (05/13/24 02:09 PM)

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: gww]
    #28773113 - 05/13/24 02:17 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

My theory is that they give just as much assistance to each side, as is required to make it even.

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    #28773144 - 05/13/24 02:43 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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My theory is that they give just as much assistance to each side, as is required to make it even.




Your theory is wildly inaccurate.


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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28773152 - 05/13/24 02:54 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

The US shames it's protectorate, Israel, from which it withholds arms, and lifts embargoes against it's presumptive enemy, the intifada.

Is consistency asking for too much?

Or, neutrality?

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Re: The perfect solution to the Israeli conflict [Re: gww] * 1
    #28773629 - 05/13/24 11:54 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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gww said:
I will give that you are probably right though the population of the west bank is 3 million.  The 700,000 is the jewish part by palistine numbers but 500,000 something, something part by the state of Israel numbers and I am pretty sure it is not the jewish part being referred to when the 230 killings is mentioned though I don't know where that number came from and have not checked to see how valid it is or the make up of them. One article from the year 2022.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/palestinians-killed-west-bank-israel/

  Secondly, I am not sure if it is police or military doing the killing.  It is claimed that 895 lost their lives trying to cross the mexican border.  I am not saying the mexican border is the same. 
Some protesters are using explosive devices and the military is using bullets.  Both are claiming self defense. 
If new mexico had a 3,000,000 they would have had about 51 deaths by police.  Maybe not the same but not the same situation either but maybe the same excuses.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/14/1169480686/police-killings-new-mexico-gun-ownership
It would be nice if things were completely simple but it may not be so.

Edit, I rushed and it is actually Wyoming that would have had 51 deaths if the population was the same, new mexico was second.




Wyoming doesn't need police assistance, their population is doing plenty fine shooting themselves.

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