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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SWFL] 1
#28755597 - 04/29/24 08:43 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks to a swell member of this board, I've got successful germ and am embarking on my first P.Cyan journey.
Advice on where to grab from? I let the one plate get a little wild...

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheLongComma] 1
#28755620 - 04/29/24 09:08 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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TheLongComma said: Thanks to a swell member of this board, I've got successful germ and am embarking on my first P.Cyan journey.
Advice on where to grab from? I let the one plate get a little wild...


Excellent germ plate. Just pick a few of the more grown colonies and make transfers. They all look good.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheLongComma] 1
#28755629 - 04/29/24 09:14 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Nice looking plate! This is where I would take transfers from.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheLongComma]
#28756014 - 04/30/24 08:32 AM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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Great Germ Plate. It looks really clean. The more aggressive area at 3 oclock is where I would pull from. Looks to be vigorous.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheAtlantean]
#28756173 - 04/30/24 10:48 AM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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Does anyone have any thoughts on if the mushrooms turn blue while they are still growing, is that the alkaloids oxidizing and thus you are losing potency? Are blue fruits still potent? Ive seen it written that this can happen easier with pans because there is less flesh and thus the alkaloids are less protected
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413] 4
#28756954 - 04/30/24 08:23 PM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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Bisporus from a MS plate starting to produce some fun looking fruits. Excited to take some clones.

I can't remember what person said this on here, but the gills on bisporus look just like the furnace in Home Alone:

Can someone please remind me what the cause of short stems is? Is it environmental or genetic?
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Cooler temps produce short, dense fruits. If the temps are not on the cooler side then it is most likely genetics.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#28756988 - 04/30/24 08:42 PM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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Thank you, makes sense! My tent hovers around 73 degrees with slight dips at night.
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It can be environmental too.
I made my substrate too wet and waterlogged the casing one of the first times I fruited them.
But by short I had like dwarves.
Conversely here's some that I grew in grass. They're showing that more typical grass mushroom phenotype.

 
Unfortunately this tub got trich and I need to break it down today. But I plan to rerun this experiment when I get back.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] 5
#28757307 - 05/01/24 06:08 AM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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First try at BVI. BRF cakes with ~ 20% hpoo. Got excited when I saw them colonized in 2 weeks so I forgot to dunk the cakes and just rolled them in a thick verm layer, about 1 - 1.5 cm. Placed in a 14 lt watertub with the lid flipped. 2 cakes got pins all of a sudden, I guess they were hiding under the mycelium.
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LyleChipperson said:I guess they were hiding under the mycelium
I believe that's exactly what happens. The fluffy blanket of mycelium creates the perfect environment for primordia to form into pins beneath and within it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SWFL] 2
#28757755 - 05/01/24 01:39 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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I shook my grass seed vs . millet jars day before yesterday and something interesting happened.
So this was a late shake, the jars were around 70% colonized and they had been shaken previously so they had multiple inoculation points right.
In all of the jars that had millet in it the colonization was whispier.
Post shake the colonization in the millet jars is consistently denser than the grass seed, except in the black kow jar.
I read a paper recently that the peak production of lignen digesting enzymes in other species of leaf litter fungi can take well over a week. I think the horse manure and leaf compost are supplying needed nutrients for the colony to produce these enzymes, which would be required, to penetrate grain hulls easily.
I'm going to let these jars sit for a couple of weeks since I'm going to be gone anyway. But I'm curious how they look when I get back after they've had a while with those grains.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
#28757846 - 05/01/24 02:29 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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tree frog said: It can be environmental too.
I made my substrate too wet and waterlogged the casing one of the first times I fruited them.
But by short I had like dwarves.
Conversely here's some that I grew in grass. They're showing that more typical grass mushroom phenotype.

 
Unfortunately this tub got trich and I need to break it down today. But I plan to rerun this experiment when I get back.
Gorgeous grow! Is that Bisporus?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#28757939 - 05/01/24 04:01 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks and yeah. Bisporus Coleville strain. I'm going to try it again in a few weeks with half as much wheat grass and hopefully clean spawn.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kilohalo5] 1
#28758013 - 05/01/24 05:27 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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Alright, so the dunking didnt really cause any problems I am starting to get pins. But I feel like they are very tiny, I had them originally in a gordotek styled tub that I transfered to my JCM styled automatic tub. Do they look normal or should I tweak my JCM tub a bit?
I almost only grow tampanensis and they grow fine with extra saturated water. I think I need to tweak my tub a bit but not sure if I need more fresh air or less humidity?? Or maybe make the fan stay on longer to pull out excess co2/humidity. This is all in a 6 quart shoebox by the way.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kilohalo5]
#28758086 - 05/01/24 06:21 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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You can't really saturate them the way you can with tampenesis but they like very high humidity. Assuming those are cyans.
More fae would be a good place to start.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] 1
#28758130 - 05/01/24 06:54 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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tree frog said:

I shook my grass seed vs . millet jars day before yesterday and something interesting happened.
So this was a late shake, the jars were around 70% colonized and they had been shaken previously so they had multiple inoculation points right.
In all of the jars that had millet in it the colonization was whispier.
Post shake the colonization in the millet jars is consistently denser than the grass seed, except in the black kow jar.
I read a paper recently that the peak production of lignen digesting enzymes in other species of leaf litter fungi can take well over a week. I think the horse manure and leaf compost are supplying needed nutrients for the colony to produce these enzymes, which would be required, to penetrate grain hulls easily.
I'm going to let these jars sit for a couple of weeks since I'm going to be gone anyway. But I'm curious how they look when I get back after they've had a while with those grains.
Very cool and noteworthy. Thank you for this information. Really helpful to know bits like this and understand parts of the biological process that can assist us with achieving great efficiency.
You have my vote. 👍🏼
Any chance you would be able to link the paper? Or is behind a paywall?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheAtlantean]
#28758202 - 05/01/24 07:57 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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Much appreciated for the germ plate feedback.
I am trying to decide which road I'd like to take going forward... LC to EF Cakes or A2G to bulk trays.
Just shooting for the best chance at getting a good clone and enough fruits for a beautiful first experience with them. All of this will be in a martha (that I haven't dialed in yet).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheLongComma]
#28758346 - 05/01/24 09:44 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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TheLongComma said: Much appreciated for the germ plate feedback.
I am trying to decide which road I'd like to take going forward... LC to EF Cakes or A2G to bulk trays.
Just shooting for the best chance at getting a good clone and enough fruits for a beautiful first experience with them. All of this will be in a martha (that I haven't dialed in yet).
Monotubs are a great fruiting environment for shoebox size totes. Easy to dial in depending on needs. And are also a great environment for EF cakes.
Martha’s are great if you are able to figure out air exchange. I’m having fun with mine currently and finding that schedule and timing of exhaust and humidification is an easy balance. It’s evaporation that needs to be dialed for proper surface conditions. Light helps with this. Full spectrum 6400k.
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LyleChipperson said: First try at BVI. BRF cakes with ~ 20% hpoo. Got excited when I saw them colonized in 2 weeks so I forgot to dunk the cakes and just rolled them in a thick verm layer, about 1 - 1.5 cm. Placed in a 14 lt watertub with the lid flipped. 2 cakes got pins all of a sudden, I guess they were hiding under the mycelium.
Sweet! What temps are you at? I want to do what you did, brf cakes with manure into a water tub. Any advice for someone about to go through what you just did? This will be my first grow. 🤞
My main concerns are potential contam (no PC, no SAB), and temperatures to trigger pinning / fruiting in a water tub…
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