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Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)?
    #28755851 - 04/30/24 02:22 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

I'm planning to grow Tampanensis sclerotia and I've read that after harvesting the truffles, the grains can still be spawned to fruit mushrooms. After searching the forum for information about the potency of these mushrooms (not the truffles), I found this post which suggests they're a bit weaker than cubes (slightly more psilocybin but about half the psilocin), and this post where the user tested a number of their grows and the Tampanensis appears to have 2-3x the alkaloids of the other cubes tested. They also mention they gave their friends some of the tamps and they were reported to be about 1.5x as strong as cubes.

For those of you who have tried them, how did you find the potency compares to cubensis?

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: CiscoHouston] * 1
    #28755856 - 04/30/24 02:37 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion

I can't personally answer that question. Some say they're as powerful as pan cyan, others say they're equal with cubensis. I think it depends mostly on genetics, as with all mushroom species.
You can see some messages on this subject if you search for the keywords you're interested in at the bottom of the page I've given you

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: Cosmikktraveler]
    #28755863 - 04/30/24 03:02 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Thanks!

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: CiscoHouston]
    #28755915 - 04/30/24 05:02 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Hey brother
I was wanting to grow these too. They look neat.
Paul Stamets says in one of his books that the potency is moderate, coming in at .68% psilocybin.
I’ve seen a study that shows cubes can be between .6 and .9% psilocybin.
Here is an excerpt from his book, “Psilocybin Mushrooms of the world.”
“Comments: Moderately potent. Analyses of the sclerotia by Gartz et al. (1994) found up to 0.68% psilocybin and .32% psilocin, respectively.”

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: gnarmar] * 3
    #28756010 - 04/30/24 08:27 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)





All of these were ran spore syringe>BRF puck>agar>transfers>grain>shoeboxes of coir,verm,manure roughly 1:2, with pseudocasings. Dried for 24 hours at 165F in a Nesco.

HPLC test results from Altitude Consulting, Denver, CO.

Source labeled: "Tampanesis", in pic, these are the 3 full canopy shoeboxes. Fruited well, 2 flushes, about 14 grams dry per flush per shoebox. 1 quart grain per box, 2 quarts sub, light pseudocasing. Very minimal/almost no stones produced.
Test results:
Aeruginascin: 0.6 mg/g
Baeocystin: 0.4 mg/g
Psilocybin: 10.8 mg/g
Psilocin: 0.6 mg/g
TOTAL ALKALOIDS: 12.4 mg/g

Source labeled: "Galindoi/ATL#7", this is the shoebox in the front left corner of pic. Fruits were bigger, but less prolific. Tons of large stones in these shoes as well.
Test results:
Aeruginascin: 1.1 mg/g
Norbaeocystin: 0.6 mg/g
Baeocystin: 1.5 mg/g
Psilocybin: 9.0 mg/g
Psilocin: 3.0 mg/g
Norpsilocin: 0.4 mg/g
TOTAL ALKALOIDS: 15.6 mg/g

Sclerotia/stones/truffles:
Test results::
A mixture of sclerotia from all grows tested at: 0.4 mg/g psilocybin. No other compounds present. Essentially bunk. I've seen similar results from another grower.

In comparison to Cubensis, my "traditional" varities (GT, Mazatapec, B+ etc) tend to test at around 5.0 mg/g; my PE blobs tend to be around 9.0+mg/g and my PE fruits around 7.0mg/g.

Here's my main post I took this from, with complete results, complete write up, multi-year testing etc... here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28462347

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: Bungmurphy]
    #28756641 - 04/30/24 05:09 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

I imagine the Paul Stamets figures must be from fresh mushrooms since they're so much lower than Bungmurphy's results. If you multiply those by 10 to account for that then Stamets' alkaloid content would be about 10mg/g vs Bungmurphy's 12.4mg/g. Seems like in general the average tampanensis would be a good bit stronger than the average cube.

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: CiscoHouston]
    #28758801 - 05/02/24 08:29 AM (1 month, 23 days ago)

Those results in Stamets books are accurate for dried samples. Decimals plus percent can cause problems converting. His cube results between 0.6 and 0.9% psilocybin is the same as 6mg/g to 9mg/g which is in the neighborhood of what I reported. 0.68% psilocybin in his Tampanensis equals 6.8mg/g, so about half as strong as my samples but accurately reported from dried. 1000mg are in a gram. 1% of a gram = 10mg, 0.1% of a gram = 1mg. My Tampanensis sample tested at 12.4 mg/g which is the same as saying 1.24% alkaloid content, my Galindoi tested at 15.6mg/g which is the same as 1.56% alkaloid content. My regular cubensis test at 5.0mg/g which equals 0.5% alkaloids, my PE blobs at 9mg/g = 0.9%, PE fruits at 7mg/g = 0.7% alkaloids. Worth noting that the HPLC place I use has claimed cubensis samples at 27.0mg/g or 2.7% alkaloid content.

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: Bungmurphy]
    #28758818 - 05/02/24 08:45 AM (1 month, 23 days ago)

Quote:

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Those results in Stamets books are accurate for dried samples. Decimals plus percent can cause problems converting. His cube results between 0.6 and 0.9% psilocybin is the same as 6mg/g to 9mg/g which is in the neighborhood of what I reported. 0.68% psilocybin in his Tampanensis equals 6.8mg/g, so about half as strong as my samples but accurately reported from dried. 1000mg are in a gram. 1% of a gram = 10mg, 0.1% of a gram = 1mg. My Tampanensis sample tested at 12.4 mg/g which is the same as saying 1.24% alkaloid content, my Galindoi tested at 15.6mg/g which is the same as 1.56% alkaloid content. My regular cubensis test at 5.0mg/g which equals 0.5% alkaloids, my PE blobs at 9mg/g = 0.9%, PE fruits at 7mg/g = 0.7% alkaloids. Worth noting that the HPLC place I use has claimed cubensis samples at 27.0mg/g or 2.7% alkaloid content.



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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: tripdawg420] * 2
    #28759068 - 05/02/24 12:20 PM (1 month, 23 days ago)



This is what I have personally grown, and I have personally tested and out of all those the Mexicana  and ATL7 are definitely the best in the strongest

EDIT the enigma were stronger, but they were definitely not enjoyable

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: 99.99]
    #28759069 - 05/02/24 12:21 PM (1 month, 23 days ago)

Quote:

99.99 said:


This is what I have personally grown, and I have personally tested and out of all those the Mexicana  and ATL7 are definitely the best in the strongest

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Atlanta #7 truffles
Atlanta #7 mushrooms
Cyan/wavy caps
Tidal wave
Avery albino
White golden teachers
Jack frost
Enigma
Hillbilly
Mexicana strain A



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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: 99.99]
    #28760250 - 05/03/24 10:43 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)

For sheer potency, I've had some Panaeolus cyanescens that I grew that seemed to be the most potent for weight. But removing "entourage effect" talk and fanciful narrative about one strain being better than another, 5.0 grams of a 0.5% alkaloid content mushroom is the same as 2.5 grams of a 1.0% alkaloid content mushroom. Only difference is in how much material you have to eat. I've had eighths of cubensis that were nearly bunk, then I've had half eighths that flipped my lid. Those panaeolus and tampanensis are potent, but I always find the doses to be subjectively similar when potency is accounted for.

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: Bungmurphy]
    #28783446 - 05/22/24 04:51 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

Ah, how excellent! That’s impressively high.
Thank you very much for sharing all of that. That is very useful. How interesting that the psilocin content was so much higher in the other sample. Mark Keith (RR) once said on here that Tamps were more like LSD for him. Hearing that got me interested in them.

BTW, you says you used 165 F to dry your mushrooms. There is a study coming out of Oregon showing that there will be some loss in medicinal content when using temps like that. Not too much, but a little bit. Have you seen it?
For this reason I always use fans and Damp Rid desiccant.


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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: gnarmar]
    #28784561 - 05/23/24 03:20 AM (1 month, 2 days ago)

So yes heat can degrade a like bit, but sp does air, water content, a few other things outside of our controls.  If very little difference in what it takes in dosing yourself it's worth stable dry fruit vs semi dry where other things like to thrive.

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Re: Potency of Tampanensis mushrooms (not sclerotia)? [Re: gnarmar]
    #28786022 - 05/24/24 09:52 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Quote:

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Ah, how excellent! That’s impressively high.
Thank you very much for sharing all of that. That is very useful. How interesting that the psilocin content was so much higher in the other sample. Mark Keith (RR) once said on here that Tamps were more like LSD for him. Hearing that got me interested in them.

BTW, you says you used 165 F to dry your mushrooms. There is a study coming out of Oregon showing that there will be some loss in medicinal content when using temps like that. Not too much, but a little bit. Have you seen it?
For this reason I always use fans and Damp Rid desiccant.






The loss is minimal, but if you leave any water in the fruits, they will lose potency quickly over time. I've had samples dry for 48 hours at 165 and still test with plenty of actives. I'd rather just eat another gram of shelf stable fruits then have fruits that may degrade over time. The problem with damp rid and fans, is that in the absence of heat you will be physically unable to remove all water, and so you will lose potency quickly over time. I know from experience. For 20+ years the standard has been at least 24 hours at 165. Large scale growers are not going to be able to dry quantity using fans and damp-rid, and plenty of large scale batches are shelf stable for years and potent. Why risk it?

Edited by Bungmurphy (05/24/24 09:53 AM)

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