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Ancalagon
AgnosticLibertarian

Registered: 07/30/02
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yes, you cant see outside your dogma, congrats.
Unfortunately for socialism I can see outside my 'dogma.'
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When a bunch of people pool their money together to pay for things of mutual benefit, it isnt theft......think that idea through before you use the word "theft" again.
I. NEVER. CLAIMED. ANY. SUCH. THING. ! ! That is not what goes on in Canada though, is it? It's not a bunch of people pooling THEIR money together to pay for things of mutual benefit, it's a majority of people pooling EVERYBODY'S(see: even the minority that disagrees) money together for things they DEEM to be of mutual benefit. Theft it is and theft it remains.
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haha, okay. So you believe their is only ONE correct political choice, right?
I believe there is one moral political choice.
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your way is the only "moral" way.
Perhaps not, but any form of government that has even the slightest disregard for the inherent rights of man is immoral. The governments of Canada and the United States are such governments.
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And even if a nation such as Canada democratically chooses a way that we think is best for us, we are still wrong, and we are immoral.
The 'democratically' part IS THE PROBLEM. Listen, I have absolutely no problem with a neighborhood of 50 people, a city of 50,000 people, or a nation of 50,000,000 people ALL agreeing to pool their money together for the greater good. I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT AND IT IS NOT IMMORAL. The problem in your case is that 100% of the people are not in favor of this voluntary pooling of money. Instead of letting them be, you FORCE them to submit. The initiation of force is immoral. Plain and Simple.
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thats very disturbing.
I don't personally see how liberty is disturbing but to each his own.
-------------------- ?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.? -Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'
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Positronius
playboy

Registered: 11/27/03
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Loc: montreal-vancouver-tokyo
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The problem in your case is that 100% of the people are not in favor of this voluntary pooling of money. Instead of letting them be, you FORCE them to submit. The initiation of force is immoral. Plain and Simple.
like I have said before, If you dont want to pay taxes, or use the services created by taxes, you can move into the wild. Where is the force?
I don't personally see how liberty is disturbing but to each his own.
um....yeah, nice try, you are only fooling yourself.
-------------------- and you know it like a poet, like....babydoll
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Evolving
Resident Cynic

Registered: 10/01/02
Posts: 5,385
Loc: Apt #6, The Village
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Positronius said: like I have said before, If you dont want to pay taxes, or use the services created by taxes, you can move into the wild. Where is the force?
Like I said before this is the same logic as a mob protection racket. What would you think if I came to your place of work and said to you, "You have two choices, give me 50% of every one of your paychecks or leave your job and live in the wilderness. If you do not, I will cart you away in handcuffs and place you in a cell. If you resist, I will use any force necessary to subdue you..."? Do you think that this is okay? Would it be right for me to do this to you?
-------------------- To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.' Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence. Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains. Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.
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Ancalagon
AgnosticLibertarian

Registered: 07/30/02
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Last seen: 15 years, 3 months
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like I have said before, If you dont want to pay taxes, or use the services created by taxes, you can move into the wild. Where is the force?
The fact that you're forcing me to leave my property or give up my property. How do you not see the force?
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um....yeah, nice try, you are only fooling yourself.
If you sincerely believe there is liberty in social democracy, nothing I say is going to change your mind.
I'd like to ask one last time though, if 51% of the Canadian populace decided that demolishing your house and replacing it with an ice sculpture museum was beneficial to Canada as a whole, would you accept it as fair and just? If so, then at least you are a man of principle, however immoral those principles may be. If not, what makes you decide to draw the line there? Is it because of the amount of property being taken from you? Is it because it's YOUR property? The problem with social democracy is a line cannot be drawn, once liberty is encroached upon there is no logical defense against its further encroachment.
Thank you.
-------------------- ?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.? -Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'
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