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Re: The CBC [Re: Seuss]
#2881584 - 07/12/04 09:43 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seuss said:
There is no money in unbiased and objective news...
Maybe not unbiased, but there is alot of money in objective news.
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Re: The CBC [Re: Redo]
#2883221 - 07/12/04 06:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redo said: Reporting is sopposed to be as unbiased or as objective as possible. I dont care who runs the CBC, I care about why is it so opinionated.
because it's 'opinionated' it can't be objective?
the two aren't mutually exclusive.
even the most opinionated can be objective in their arguments, and vice versa.
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Re: The CBC [Re: pB0t]
#2883739 - 07/12/04 08:16 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where's the counter argument? Im not going to post a counter-argument until a real, informed (not just based on assumptions) argument is posted.
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Re: The CBC [Re: Seuss]
#2883785 - 07/12/04 08:28 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seuss writes:
There is no money in unbiased and objective news...
The Wall Street Journal would disagree with you on that.
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Re: The CBC [Re: Phred]
#2883820 - 07/12/04 08:36 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't you mean The War Street Journal?
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Re: The CBC [Re: Redo]
#2883853 - 07/12/04 08:43 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redo said: Reporting is sopposed to be as unbiased or as objective as possible. I dont care who runs the CBC, I care about why is it so opinionated.
From what you described, they were just stating facts. You appear to simply be unwilling to accept that Bush mislead the public, and that such a thing is newsworthy.
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Re: The CBC [Re: Redo]
#2884810 - 07/13/04 02:28 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I watch CTV news which is Canadian news.
It's so nice to watch. I can find out what is going on in the world and in my country. If I want I can choose to watch CNN or FOX but that stuff is just sick. If I flip to CNN right now it's probably about a shooting somewhere. And yes we have footage on Bush and all that, but that is because America is our neighboor and this whole Iraq thing affects us too. I have never seen anything anti-Bush on here, just telling the story of what's going on. You sound like one of those Jewish people saying The Passion of the Christ was antisemetic because it showed how the Jews crucified Jesus.
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Re: The CBC [Re: pB0t]
#2884854 - 07/13/04 02:52 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The government is using our money for our own good, not the CBC's.
You guys are missing the point. I shouldn't have to pay for something I don't watch/listen to. That isn't fair. The government does not know what is best for me, I do! It is ridiculous that we can't even get HBO (unless you have satellite and even then I'm fairly sure that non-CRTC approved/illegal) in this country because the government won't let us. I want to watch Bill Maher.
Don't take offence at this, but you, my friend, are living in the wrong country. :P They're using your money for the good of many Canadians. Other Canadians (such as myself ) are benefiting from your tax money going to the CBC. You're benefiting in other areas from other people's tax money, such as health insurance. That's social democracy. It's the basis of our government.
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pB0t said:And yes, entertainment is largely supplied by the free market. Things like Seinfeld and the Lord of the Rings movies were not made by some public agency, but by people trying to get rich. They succeeded because they were popular; people enjoyed them enough to sit through some commercials or cough up money. This is what I meant by good. I don't watch movies or TV shows or listen to music based on nationality, I go by what I like. Just because someone from the same country as me made it is no guarantee I will like it. PS: I do watch Canadian TV! Trailer Park Boys and Corner Gas are a couple of my favourite shows. And I have the Kids in the Hall DVD (one of the few CBC shows that was actually good).
There is validity to this. I agree with you to a point. But the fact of the matter is, Canadian television has an audience of less than 10% of American television shows (This is assuming that the American shows are being shown here and in the US, and the Canadian shows are being shown only here, which is almost always the case.). What does that mean in terms of the show's ad revenue? It means that American shows are going to make about ten times as much money, by virtue of having a larger audience; not by virtue of being a better show. With rare exceptions, Canadian entertainment televisions needs public funding to have a chance.
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pB0t said:PPS: Mike Bullard sucks.
God, yes.
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Re: The CBC [Re: Redo]
#2884870 - 07/13/04 03:00 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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whaat about fox news?? they love distorting the truth...but they do it with a right-wing spin, so thats ok right??
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Re: The CBC [Re: Kasumeat]
#2884901 - 07/13/04 03:31 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't take offence at this, but you, my friend, are living in the wrong country. :P
its true, people that want lower taxes and believe in the free market above all else need to seriously consider moving to the US. The results of this last election proven that Canada isnt going to swing right anytime soon.
The Conservatives have less power than the NDP.
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Tasty_Smurf_House writes:
If I want I can choose to watch CNN or FOX but that stuff is just sick.
Do you have satellite? The reason I ask is that the CRTC does not allow Canadian cable companies to carry FOX News (or HBO).
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Re: The CBC [Re: Kasumeat]
#2885097 - 07/13/04 06:28 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't take offence at this, but you, my friend, are living in the wrong country. :P
Perhaps you are? Your disdain of freedom tells me you would be much better suited for life in The Sudan.
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They're using your money for the good of many Canadians.
Says they.
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Other Canadians (such as myself ) are benefiting from your tax money going to the CBC.
Let me be the first to congratulate you!
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You're benefiting in other areas from other people's tax money, such as health insurance.
Says you.
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That's social democracy. It's the basis of our government.
Would you be in favor of a majority of Canadians deeming your living residence suitable for destruction so the new ice sculpture museum that they deem as being 'quite neccesary' for Canada as a whole to be built? If not is it just a matter of degree then? You'll steal from people up to a point but then some semblance of rationale kicks in and tells you maybe their is something wrong with this? I do like how you use the phrase 'benefiting [the majority]' as opposed to 'stealing [from the minority]'. Sugar-coats it very nicely.
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It means that American shows are going to make about ten times as much money, by virtue of having a larger audience; not by virtue of being a better show.
Wow. Are you aware of how many American TV shows get canceled every season? If a show sucks, despite how many people live in it's country of origin, it won't last. That's how the free market works, if enough people like a product, it'll survive. If not, it won't. It's quite a good system...no theft involved.
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With rare exceptions, Canadian entertainment televisions needs public funding to have a chance.
Because of a smaller population? Are their NO SHOWS that exist without public funding...I'd be willing to call bullshit if you say yes, not that you've made such a claim to this point. As such it is clear that these 'rare exceptions' are shows that a large enough portion of the Canadian audience deem enjoyable. Clearly if shows are found enjoyable, even in a sparsely populated country like Canada, they can stay afloat without stolen money.
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silversoul7 said: From what you described, they were just stating facts. You appear to simply be unwilling to accept that Bush mislead the public, and that such a thing is newsworthy.
If you like to see short clips that explain about 5% of the story, then yes, you can accept it as fact.
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Thats 'cos Canada iz borings'....
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Kasumeat
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Ancalagon said: Perhaps you are? Your disdain of freedom tells me you would be much better suited for life in The Sudan.
I have no disdain for freedom. I like it just fine right here, thanks.
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Because of a smaller population? Are their NO SHOWS that exist without public funding...I'd be willing to call bullshit if you say yes, not that you've made such a claim to this point. As such it is clear that these 'rare exceptions' are shows that a large enough portion of the Canadian audience deem enjoyable. Clearly if shows are found enjoyable, even in a sparsely populated country like Canada, they can stay afloat without stolen money.
There are currently about a dozen Canadian entertainment shows that they alive without government support. I don't know what the number is for American shows, but if you say that it isn't at least a hundred times that, I'm calling bullshit on you. That right there is a huge discrepancy. If Canadian shows got an equal chance, there should be about ten times as many American shows.
Stolen money? I have a deal for you. My government will stop 'stealing' your money, and you can stop stealing my land, my health care system, my protection, and my security (financial and physical), to name a few. 
The fact of the matter is is that the CBC is the most internationally-respected Canadian media institution in Canada. It wouldn't be there without public funding.
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Re: The CBC [Re: Redo]
#2886469 - 07/13/04 02:26 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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WE'RE WORSE THAN ALL JAZEERA!!
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