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HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours?
    #28745386 - 04/22/24 11:02 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

I started hydrating (10lbs) in water, with some gypsum, yellow popcorn yesterday with the intention of boiling and draining later today.  I now am leaving town for 24 hours for work.  Do you think it would be a total loss to soak it for 48 hours?

Will it over hydrate and crack if it isn't boiled?

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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: drSE]
    #28745389 - 04/22/24 11:08 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Not if you pc it you be fine.  But in the future a good corn tek is boil 30 mins, then let it swell 12 hours to 24 hour's,  drain , air dry 5 mins, jar up and pc 2 hours.

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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: vicepope]
    #28745407 - 04/22/24 11:26 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

It's not a big deal if you crack a few grains also. Just don't go overboard and pop them all open and you'll be good

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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: vicepope]
    #28745420 - 04/22/24 11:45 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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Not if you pc it you be fine.  But in the future a good corn tek is boil 30 mins, then let it swell 12 hours to 24 hour's,  drain , air dry 5 mins, jar up and pc 2 hours.




You boil then soak?  I thought it is the other way around.

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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: drSE]
    #28745450 - 04/22/24 12:20 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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Not if you pc it you be fine.  But in the future a good corn tek is boil 30 mins, then let it swell 12 hours to 24 hour's,  drain , air dry 5 mins, jar up and pc 2 hours.




You boil then soak?  I thought it is the other way around.




Different grain but for rye I boil 10 mins and then soak 10 mins. Strain real nice then load jars and straight into the PC. I also get rid of the extra starch pooling up at the surface as it boils. And do the pre-rinse only until water is clear (might take one or five).
This will get you exactly the perfect amount of moisture. I have maybe one or two grains max stuck to the side of the jar with that "wet spot" look at most everytime.

I think people largely overestimate how much effort you need to hydrate grain properly as well.



Now the thing is popcorn is a bit of a weird grain and I have no experience with that. IIRC millet also needs a different hydrating tek (or you can skip soaking altogether or something like that). But soaking after boiling is common.

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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: drSE]
    #28745478 - 04/22/24 12:52 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

I just did an experiment with gymsum and corn and found it actually slowed my mycelium growth. I purchased gypsum specifically for mushrooms that claimed to increase speed of mycelium growth.

Did 3 jars

Added dry, gypsum in the soak water and just regular corn.

The regular corn won :shrug:

I plan to repeat.

I know that wasn't your question i just wanted to share.

I soak my corn for 24 hours then boil for about an hour then let cool/dry, put in jars then PC.

I tried 48 once and discarded because it smelled yeasty

Now I think it wouldn't have mattered because my understanding is you soak to sprout contaminants to make them easier to kill in the PC.

I could be wrong though.


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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: bjcm]
    #28745484 - 04/22/24 12:57 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Gypsum doesn't actually do anything for the species we cultivate. There's certainly a part of truth in that it helps some gourmet shrooms but that's about it.

Doesn't help grains to not clump together; if that's what you're after you need to either get grains with lower/no starch content, figure a way to remove it, or double check your hydration tek.

Save your money and efforts. Real talk.

Soaking is really just for hydrating. A lot of the information being spread around is outdated, even on this board sadly. Trust me, if you shove your shit into a 15psi PC for over an hour, there's not going to be much of anything alive left in it regardless of the soak.

It would hold some truth if you plan to sterilize using steam at 100ยฐC or if you were to do partial (or fractal?) sterilization. The latter I don't recommend at all, it's very hard to pull off properly and it's also an outdated tek. You need extremely accurate settings to do it.

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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: MrJong]
    #28745499 - 04/22/24 01:29 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

All good info.  And this is actually for gourmet Oysters.  I am hooked on them haha. 

I appreciate everyone's input!

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    #28745560 - 04/22/24 03:08 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Popcorn?
Just boil for 45mins drain till dry then pc, perfecto every time, no need to soak.


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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: 3.A.M] * 1
    #28745922 - 04/22/24 09:53 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

yep, stipe kindof put that soaking/blooming bacteria notion to rest a while back.  I cant seem to find what im talking about just now but there was a whole  ten page study that basically said

"pressure cooking works. "

I was definately one of the old guard that was saying you need to soak it to germinate the endospores, but nah.  Its Just a way to get water into the kernel slower thus bursting fewer grains.


i almost never soak my wheat anymore.  noticebly, i get more bursts but it doesnt seem to matter in the long run so fuck it.  i need to edit my wheat tek. 

but with popcorn, i would think you definately should soak for at least 20.

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Re: HYDRATING popcorn longer then 24 hours? [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28745956 - 04/22/24 10:24 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Yea I use feed corn, the boiling 30, then soak in a bucket half a day then pc is how I do for gourmet mushrooms,  easy to do 25 lbs of it in each 5 gallon bucket, with 6 burners, it's the only way to get 600lbs of corn spawn in 1 hours tike.
To the guy with oysters,  try corn cob pellets with 10% soy hull pellets for prettiest fruit to market.

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