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Could drying reduce psilocybin content
    #28741560 - 04/18/24 10:09 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Hi. I live in the south of sunny Spain. I've just had an excellent crop of mainly Golden Teacher but a tub of B+ too.

It's not hot here at the moment but full on sunshine and around 22 degrees (72 F). I've been drying all my shrooms on metal meshes (sorry, maybe not the right word in English) outside in the sun. The GT have pretty thick stalks and usually take 3 days to get them cracker dry. I then double seal them in ziplock bags and put in the freezer - very full now!!

Someone has told me 3 days of 10 hours in hot sun is going to destroy some of the psilocybin content. I know that psilocybin can be destroyed with heat as in if you pour boiling water on it to make tea.

Can anyone tell me if I am destroying their psilocybin by exposure to sun like this? I've done this in previous years and they have always seemed fairly strong. Thanks :-)



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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: kangaspice]
    #28741566 - 04/18/24 10:18 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Sunlight does degrade actives as far as I’ve read, yes.

And storing them in the freezer in ziplocks is also going to degrade the actives, unfortunately. Room temp, fully dried, in sealed glass jars, away from light. That’s the move.

Ever take something out of the freezer and there’s little ice crystals on your food? Moisture is definitely getting into those zips of mush.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: kangaspice]
    #28741569 - 04/18/24 10:19 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

No, but incomplete drying can.

Boiling the mushrooms for tea is fine, you can fry them or cook them with no problems. A dehydrator is definitely a much better option if you can get one, idk how thjngs are in Spain.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: kangaspice] * 1
    #28741576 - 04/18/24 10:25 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

The ultraviolet light from the sun is one of your problems. The other is residual humidity if they are not fully dried. Heat is not what you need to worry about.

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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: A.k.a]
    #28741583 - 04/18/24 10:37 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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A.k.a said:
No, but incomplete drying can.

Boiling the mushrooms for tea is fine, you can fry them or cook them with no problems. A dehydrator is definitely a much better option if you can get one, idk how thjngs are in Spain.




Yes, I've just invested in a dehydrator but putting them in the sun on a mesh is my first goto.

When I've used the dehydrator they also take a long time to dry but it's my new toy and I'm only experimenting at this stage. I've been putting it on 45 C (110 F) which is one of the lowest settings on the aparatus. I don't know if that's where I should have it.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: kangaspice] * 2
    #28741585 - 04/18/24 10:44 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Heat will destroy some of the actives, but they're the same actives that would have been destroyed by oxidation, anyway.

Fresh-picked fruit will be the strongest, but aren't usually a practical option.

You really want to dry the fruit down as quickly as possible. Once they're fully dry, sitting in the dehydrator getting blasted with hot air won't really hurt anything. There's also no need to worry about the dehydrator getting too hot. Since you want the fruit to dry as quickly as possible, it's usually best to go with the highest temperature setting. I do 160 Fahrenheit, the max setting on my unit. If in doubt, or too busy to empty the dehydrator, I just let it all go for longer. A minimum of 24 hours, often closer to 36.

When fruits are fully dry, they should basically snap in half if you try to bend them, and crumble to dust if you rub them between your fingers. Letting not-fully-dry fruits sit in storage is the most common way that people lose potency. And get stomach aches.

Those sun-dried fruits are probably fine, I'd still consume them as soon as possible though.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28741615 - 04/18/24 11:11 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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Heat will destroy some of the actives, but they're the same actives that would have been destroyed by oxidation, anyway.

Fresh-picked fruit will be the strongest, but aren't usually a practical option.

You really want to dry the fruit down as quickly as possible. Once they're fully dry, sitting in the dehydrator getting blasted with hot air won't really hurt anything. There's also no need to worry about the dehydrator getting too hot. Since you want the fruit to dry as quickly as possible, it's usually best to go with the highest temperature setting. I do 160 Fahrenheit, the max setting on my unit. If in doubt, or too busy to empty the dehydrator, I just let it all go for longer. A minimum of 24 hours, often closer to 36.

When fruits are fully dry, they should basically snap in half if you try to bend them, and crumble to dust if you rub them between your fingers. Letting not-fully-dry fruits sit in storage is the most common way that people lose potency. And get stomach aches.

Those sun-dried fruits are probably fine, I'd still consume them as soon as possible though.




Great advice - thanks!

But not the bit about consuming them all asap :-) I'd be munching my ways through bagfuls for days! Anyway everyone I know has been given their obligatory ziplock crammed full and my monotubs seem to be going into third flush now.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: kangaspice] * 1
    #28741625 - 04/18/24 11:30 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

When I pass out gobs, I let them know to use them soon or immediately put them into a glass canning jar with 2-piece lid, otherwise they won't last long.

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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: kangaspice]
    #28741649 - 04/18/24 12:11 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

i dry mine those size at 122F* for 10-24 hours. ive seen people go as high as 156 but i personally like how they look dried at lower temps. sometimes if a massive mutant wont dry i put it in a mesh bag and put that in a container with activated alumina and silica gel packs for multiple days. shrivels them to nothing but gets them absolutely cracker dry. ill upload example pics of both if youd like. just got done drying.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: bjcm] * 1
    #28741656 - 04/18/24 12:18 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I’m not sure 10 hours at 122° is enough. If you’re gonna use lower temps I for sure wouldn’t go below 24 hours


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: LadysKnight]
    #28741661 - 04/18/24 12:22 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

cracker dry in the dehydrator then vacuum sealed with multiple 5g silica gel works for me. i have shit i bought 3 years ago stashed away that still looks like the day i packaged it.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28741664 - 04/18/24 12:24 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

it is for small hollow fruits. i also store them with silica which absorbs any extra moisture that might be left over. i get the color changing ones and none of them have absorbed enough water from the shrooms after storage to change color.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: bjcm] * 1
    #28741749 - 04/18/24 01:33 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Silica packs...
An unnecessary, possibly detrimental crutch. I've never used it, cuz there is no need.

If fruits are actually dry and stored in an airtight container, they serve no purpose.

If fruits aren't quite dry, or in an imperfect container, the silica will get wet. Wet silica in a jar or bag with shrooms sounds like wet perlite in a fruiting chamber.

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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: LadysKnight] * 1
    #28741769 - 04/18/24 02:14 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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Silica packs...
An unnecessary, possibly detrimental crutch. I've never used it, cuz there is no need.

If fruits are actually dry and stored in an airtight container, they serve no purpose.

If fruits aren't quite dry, or in an imperfect container, the silica will get wet. Wet silica in a jar or bag with shrooms sounds like wet perlite in a fruiting chamber.




:whathesaid:

I've seen some NASTY situations (not cult related) when silicagel was unable to absorb all of the ambient moisture, or just kept picking up more every time a container was opened, and instead just turned into a little squishy reservoir. Swore never to use the shit for storing mushrooms.

The way I look at is that I try to provide material that will absorb and distribute any miniscule amounts of residual moisture, and also reduce the amount of air space/free oxygen in the jar. And I found the perfect material for that: dried mushrooms. Stuff the jars, seal them, heat them, crack them for a second to release a little warm air, and then leave them be in a cabinet at room temperature.


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Re: Could drying reduce psilocybin content [Re: B Traven]
    #28741792 - 04/18/24 02:48 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

That's crazy I've been using silica to store various products for years and I've never seen that happen. I hope I never do. When I had a hookup for free stuff from Amazon I also used argon gas (wine preserver) and oxygen absorbers for long term storage. I'm always digging in my stash so if I notice the silica change color I just swap the packs and microwave the olds to dry them out again.


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