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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Twirling]
    #2873720 - 07/09/04 04:22 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always wondered, and I'm not refering to this thread when I ask this, but why do people always refer to the "Founding Fathers" as if they were one entity?


Golly. Could it be because they wrote the Constitution? Selected our form of government? Sent us down a glorious path?

Besides happy, father'S is plural.


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What a strange concept, tolerance of different ideas!



Yes. One that is forgotten on college campuses and in newspapers across the land.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2873839 - 07/09/04 05:16 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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Golly. Could it be because they wrote the Constitution? Selected our form of government? Sent us down a glorious path?

Besides happy, father'S is plural.




Uh, my point is that people refer to them as if they had one point of view, and one opinion on everything. Certainly they agreed to one form of government, but they also were very divided on many issues. The whole reason for the ?representative? form of government rather than a totalitarian form of government.

And fathers IS plural. Why you added an apostrophe to it to indicate singular possessive is beyond me.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Twirling]
    #2873878 - 07/09/04 05:29 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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And fathers IS plural. Why you added an apostrophe to it to indicate singular possessive is beyond me.


Cause I can't type for shit.

If you notice the ' key is right next to the shift key.

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Uh, my point is that people refer to them as if they had one point of view, and one opinion on everything.



I disagree. If someone wrote the shroomery members do drugs, would you automatically assume the writer meant ALL shroomery members? Sounds like you've made one assumption too many.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2873929 - 07/09/04 05:52 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Cause I can't type for shit.

If you notice the ' key is right next to the shift key.




Understandable.

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luvdemshrooms said:Sounds like you've made one assumption too many.




An assumption in itself, no?

I'll give you an example to illustriate what I mean, and just how some people use the "Founding Fathers" arguement to justify their position:

I watch Pat Robertson's 700 Club, mainly for laughs, but also to understand an extremist point of view and where they're coming from. One of the constant points they try to make is that America is founded on a Godly sovrienty. They reiterate the idea that "The founding fathers were Christians and believed in basing America's values on God". Clearly that is use which does not take into consideration the differences in opinion on seperation of Church and State and other such issues. It uses the term fouding fathers only to try and justify their point, and in such a way that it carries the conotation that they all believed the same exact thing, so therefore we must follow it.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2873949 - 07/09/04 05:57 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

The British and most Europeans were terrorists at the time. That's why so many people were trying to start new countries in the Americas.

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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2875517 - 07/10/04 07:22 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

D. Vigilant enough to recognize and stop centralized banking in the US.

Something that has been long lost. Heil Rothschild.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Twirling]
    #2875682 - 07/10/04 10:32 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always wondered, and I'm not refering to this thread when I ask this, but why do people always refer to the "Founding Fathers" as if they were one entity? Mainly when people use the arguement "THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE _____, SO IT MUST BE GOOD" it's just a cheap debating trick with the idea of glorfying the acceptance of one side. Surely they were divided in their thoughts on what this country should be, each one having their own voice and ideas.

What a strange concept, tolerance of different ideas!


Hey, I think southpark beat you to this thought.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2876586 - 07/10/04 07:35 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

D. all of the above?  :confused:


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2877016 - 07/10/04 11:23 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

They can't be anarchists since they created a government, that's like calling someone a Christian because they built a temple to Satan.

They can't be terrorists because they were soldiers killing other soldiers, which is what is called a "soldier", not a "terrorist".


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2877122 - 07/11/04 12:09 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

They can't be terrorists because they were soldiers killing other soldiers...

Never heard of the Boston Tea Party? Just because no one was killed does not mean it wasn't an act of terrorism. It was destruction against a non-military target in a time of peace. Since that time a US postage stamp has been issued "honoring" this act of terrorism (but it is ALL in the eye of the beholder, is it not?)

Many of the Revolutionaries were NOT wearing uniforms, which is one of the excuses for holding prisoners at Gitmo as terrorists rather than as P.O.W.s.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2877432 - 07/11/04 05:03 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure "destruction against a non-military target in a time of peace" constitutes terrorism...correct me if I'm wrong but isn't terrorism supposed to induce terror? I'm sure the king wasn't in terror because some tea got trashed...

In fact when i was a youth i unfortunately took part in some "destruction against a non-military target in a time of peace"....i wouldn't call it terrorism, id call it vandalism.

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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: DieCommie]
    #2877518 - 07/11/04 07:53 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Obviously Swami is a Bushite and likes to call all kinds of things terrorism.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2877803 - 07/11/04 10:20 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Obviously Swami is a Bushite and likes to call all kinds of things terrorism.
Obviously Swami is educated and literate, unusual qualifications for a PAL poster.

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ter?ror?ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
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The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: DieCommie]
    #2877809 - 07/11/04 10:25 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure "destruction against a non-military target in a time of peace" constitutes terrorism

Your "unsureness" tells us only of you and nothing about terrorism. This act meets the textbook definition.

I will play your game anyway. What if the commerical planes were empty of innocent passengers and crew and the Twin Tower occupants had forewarning and time to evacuate so that the ONLY deaths were the suicide bombers themselves. How then would you classify the act?


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2877828 - 07/11/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

you're obsessed with moot things.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2877921 - 07/11/04 11:26 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Like clarity?


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2878010 - 07/11/04 12:14 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Like moot clarity.


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2896915 - 07/16/04 12:16 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Which founding fathers were involved in the BTP anyhows?

For that matter, why were they dressed as indians?


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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2896929 - 07/16/04 12:19 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

none of the above.

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Re: USA Founding Fathers were: (quiz) [Re: Swami]
    #2897279 - 07/16/04 02:11 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

If we can prove they are fathers we should hit them for child support.


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