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OfflineMECHTEK
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AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP
    #28729479 - 04/07/24 12:12 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Hello board,
Newbie here looking for some advice. I’m using an all in one that I innoc’ed w/ liquid culture on March 3rd, ‘24. The AIO, after break and shake, was fully colonized about 10 days ago. I opened the top of the bag and moved to location with indirect light to begin fruiting in the bag. I noticed knots forming on the sides and bottom, so I decided to moved the fully colonized cake/block to a tub.
It has been 5 days now since moving to the tub, and not too much has happened—likely stalled. I purchased a grow light w/ 6500k temp yesterday in an attempt to stimulate pinning, but I want to ask the board for any advice on what I need to do at this point. Should I continue being patient because everything looks good, or should I cold shock, or something else??
I have been opening the lid 3 times a day for a couple min for FAE and maintaining a temp between 68 - 74 deg F.
Thank you all for your help in advance!






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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28729579 - 04/07/24 01:24 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

AIO bags are meant to be fruited in the bag, not in tubs. When you cut the top of the bag off it dropped the RH to 0 and therefor nothing will grow on the top in those conditions(notice growth on sides and bottom).
It's a super common thing to take it out of the bag or fuck up with FAE holes in bag and dry them out, idk if some kits don't come with instructions or nobody reads them.
Either way AIO bags aren't ideal(see links in my sig) and that thing is probably drier than a nun's cunt. Cubes don't like being babysat, and they don't need the FAE you're thinking they do, they can handle being choked. Passive air exchange is all you want, don't force air taking the lid off or fanning that will just dry it out, the small gap in a lid is generally enough. I would leave it alone for now and if nothing happens in a week then I would dunk over night and place it back in that contraption you have there and leave it alone.

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: IamBrick]
    #28729687 - 04/07/24 02:19 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Dryer than a nun's cunt:laugh:

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: ballysocket]
    #28729811 - 04/07/24 04:10 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Would also be a good idea to cut the foil back to the cake so that the water that’s evaporating from the perlite is closer to it. Right now it’s blocking a majority of the surface area of the tub

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: TPython]
    #28730086 - 04/07/24 09:06 PM (2 months, 17 days ago)

Lmao. Now, that’s dry! Okay, I watered that ole thang with 10 to 12 squirts of tap from spray bottle and cut the foil back. Now the foil sticks out an half inch all around.
Should I continue to directly mist with water a few times a day to hydrate or just leave the block alone and see what happens in a week or so? 
Thank you all for your help man—this board is awesome! Really appreciate it.

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28730613 - 04/08/24 10:56 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

I wouldn't directly mist it, spray the perlite if you want since it's there but just leave it be.

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28730634 - 04/08/24 11:19 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

Did you dunk it? It looks good to me. This is my all in one bag after about 2 weeks In the fruiting chamber

It looks dry you should submerge it in water for a while. I did mine for about 10 hours which wasn't quite enough. It'll take a while to get going but it probably will. Stop taking the lid off. I have a humidifier from MGK hooked up to my FC. This is my setup

Humidifier runs 3 times a day for a half hour, once right before the light come on.

More pics of my AIO in the FC when it started pinning. Hundreds of pins and in the middle of a full first flush right now. I compacted mine way too tight though which is why I think it took so long to knot and fruit.








Since I've joined I know all in one bags aren't recommended and a lot come pre contaminated :eek:

I've had the most luck with the minis and fruiting them in the fruiting chamber even though everyone else here says they're trash and to just fruit them in the bag if you have them.


I'm just a stranger here so you probably shouldn't listen to me :rolleyes:


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Amazon vs Temu lid comparison and how to get free lids https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787134/vc/1#28787134

Gypsum useless?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787663/vc/1

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: bjcm]
    #28730790 - 04/08/24 02:50 PM (2 months, 17 days ago)


No, I haven’t dunked it—just straight from the bag to the tub. It’s looking a bit less “nun poon” today, so thx for everyone’s suggestions.
I’ll leave it be and shake the pearlite if/when needed and give it till this weekend. If no movement by then, I’ll soak it for 10-12 hrs and go from there.
I’ll post updates on progress…these pics are from 5 min ago.

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: bjcm]
    #28730840 - 04/08/24 03:18 PM (2 months, 17 days ago)

Ofcourse there's no absolutes in mush cult, anything CAN work, but speaking in absolutes is generally the easiest way to go about fixing issues if that makes sense.  In speaking about premade AIO bags,grow kits, UB tek, they're generally correlated with bad practice(mss to grain, overmisting, fanning, misinfo, etc.),which is alot of the reason they're discouraged.
And as stated, premade ANYTHING should not be trusted as sterile, and is also a very expensive alternative to proper cultivation teks. Obviously everyone has to start somewhere.
Step 1 of mush cult: get scammed.

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28731154 - 04/08/24 09:07 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Hell yeah. I hope you're successful. I think you need more perlite though I believe I can see the bottom of your tub. You should have at least an inch, ideally 1.5 in my experience. No standing water, run the perlite under tap water in a stainer and add it to the tub when it stops dripping.

I really think you should dunk too, but it's probably not completely necessary if you keep humidity right.


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Amazon vs Temu lid comparison and how to get free lids https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787134/vc/1#28787134

Gypsum useless?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787663/vc/1

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: bjcm]
    #28731250 - 04/08/24 10:37 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

I think you need to ditch the perlite, get a rack the cake can sit on a few inches above the bottom of the tub and put an inch or so of water in there. Do that and LITFA for a week and I think you will be surprised.

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: bjcm]
    #28731345 - 04/09/24 03:35 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

You might be a stranger, like me, but you’re where I want to be, so you’re doing something right. IamBrick seems to know his shit, I’ve determined after reading a lot of his posts/suggestions—we could both learn from him.
Btw, my first two AIOs turned swamp ass green after 8 days post inoculation. After these AIOs are finished, Imma go grain spawn to bulk in mono-tub. That seems to be more controllable. More work perhaps, but worth it IMO.
On your setup, how long do you leave the light on?

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28731348 - 04/09/24 03:47 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Well, this is my first of many, so I’ll stick w the pearlite on this one. Yeah, I can see the bottom so I’ll add a bit more. Looking at my precious this morning, there are some massive knots, or just clumped up mycelium, jutting out from the side/s. Hopefully y’all can see em in the pics. At l ast that is some change in a good direction. 




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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28731632 - 04/09/24 11:36 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

I do 12 on and 12 off. sometimes I forget to turn it off though and they get like 14 hours of light. I cover the tub with a towel at night otherwise they'd get no dark because I frequently pass out with the light on. 12 on and 12 off a majority of the time though.

All my large all in one bags have been contaminated. Literally 100% of them. I've had very good luck with the mini 1.5lb aio's. I think the companies skimp on the sterilization time because it saves them time and money in energy and people still buy them. With the 1.5's being overall smaller I think they have a higher likelihood of being completely sterilized. I'm going to try monotub and making my own AIO bags to fruit as blocks like I (and you) have going right now. I really like how all 5 sides are covered in mushrooms.

Here's a pic of mine this morning.



The cased cake you see next to the block was harvested twice already recently came out of the dunk and put back in the FC. The piece of aluminum foil is another cake I harvested last night thats getting the same treatment except I put a product called magical gypsum in the dunk water. Testing it out. I have a bunch of corn jars treated with it I've yet to inoculate.

The five cakes you see close together in the corner are Malabar and the cakes look very healthy but they've been in the fruiting chamber for about two and a half weeks and they only have a couple pins on them the cakes just keep growing denser and denser mycelium and I can't figure out why they aren't knotting or pinning. Might dunk and case a couple to see how they do. I never dunked any of my Malabar cakes and I think that might be why.


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Amazon vs Temu lid comparison and how to get free lids https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787134/vc/1#28787134

Gypsum useless?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787663/vc/1

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: bjcm]
    #28732377 - 04/10/24 03:17 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

With three suggestions to dunk my cake, I submerged it 10 hours ago and just took it out and back in the FC. She’s lookin a bit like Whitney Hourston after a reunion w/ Bobbie, but I feel it was the right choice. I was gentle as possible,  but with something that bruises from sprayed water, what should I expect after manhandling it.
I’ll leave the light on 12 and see how she looks later today.





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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28732400 - 04/10/24 03:57 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

So you shoved it back onto perlite with half a roll of tin foil, that's not what was suggested.

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28732600 - 04/10/24 09:11 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

Pm'd you.

That is a little too much foil but not enough to justify opening and touching it again. You should be pinning in a week or two when the rest of the surface is completely colonized.


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Amazon vs Temu lid comparison and how to get free lids https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787134/vc/1#28787134

Gypsum useless?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787663/vc/1

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Re: AIO to TUB for FRUITING HELP [Re: MECHTEK]
    #28734882 - 04/12/24 08:52 AM (2 months, 13 days ago)

hows your cake doing?


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Amazon vs Temu lid comparison and how to get free lids https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787134/vc/1#28787134

Gypsum useless?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787663/vc/1

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