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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2873078 - 07/09/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey! Wait a minute!




SUCKER!! HA HA HA :evil:


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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2873079 - 07/09/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Did you ask for the boat model with the built in machine guns?

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2873092 - 07/09/04 01:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

it only had a grenade launcher.... :rolleyes:sheesh what's the big deal.....it also had lasers on the bow. :laser:


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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2873107 - 07/09/04 01:43 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me." --  Martin Niem?ller

The choice to stand aside while others are oppressed simply because those others aren't you eventually leads to your own oppression :wink:


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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2873185 - 07/09/04 02:01 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Ok here's the dealio about the Boat patriot act thing.

Due to the patriot act any purchase of great expense (she didn't give me an exact amount) like a Car, Boat, House (aything expensive) et.  A special form has to be filled out as a "promise" that you are not using this purchase to fund terrorism. :rolleyes:

personally I don't feel that it's any of their fucking business as to the why i'm doing anything legal.


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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: trendal]
    #2873254 - 07/09/04 02:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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trendal said:
The choice to stand aside while others are oppressed simply because those others aren't you eventually leads to your own oppression :wink:




But there is no great oppression going on.

Innvertigo, that is kinda dumb. I dont understand why they would have you promise your not going to use it to fund terrorism. It probably means that you get heavier charges if you do get caught funding terrorism with that item.

At least somebody was effected some how :wink:, but it isnt that bad.

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2873383 - 07/09/04 02:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Redo said:
But there is no great oppression going on.




Not yet...


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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: trendal]
    #2873397 - 07/09/04 02:42 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Tell me when it happens.

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2873419 - 07/09/04 02:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I doubt I'll be able to tell you anything at all, if/when it happens :wink:


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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2873804 - 07/09/04 04:55 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm, well for one thing it allows the FBI to use the Carnivore system which allows all users of an ISP to have their internet activities indiscrimately monitored. You use the internet, right?

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Blue_Apocalypse]
    #2873812 - 07/09/04 05:05 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

If not Carnivore...you've got to worry about the NSA and Echelon :wink:


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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2873879 - 07/09/04 05:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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It has the potential to affect everyone. Why that isn't enough for you is a mystery to me. Or are you saying you don't think the potential is there?




It effects terrorists, and maybe an innocent or two get investegated, thats all the potential I see.




If the Patriot Act "effects" terrorists, it should be destroyed, am I right?

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: JPZ]
    #2873969 - 07/09/04 06:07 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing has changed for me. I'm sure you had to give personal information when you buy a boat before September 11th 2001. Without it a bigger boat can run you over, kill people in your boat and get away with it.

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2874013 - 07/09/04 06:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2874227 - 07/09/04 07:42 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


I've never personally used those rights afforded me by the Bill of Rights. So by your logic they could be repealed since I've never used them.

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: newuser1492]
    #2874837 - 07/09/04 11:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I am very away of Zombi's experience, this post would be a way to bring it out to everybody attention that there IS something wrong that is real.

cb, the 2nd Amendment is hardly our right as it reads. I forgot all the specifics, but the right for the people to bear arms is limited to the national guard I believe? Whats this have to do with the Patriot Act.

And whats the 8th have to do with anything? I need more specifics.

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2874886 - 07/09/04 11:58 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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cb, the 2nd Amendment is hardly our right as it reads. I forgot all the specifics, but the right for the people to bear arms is limited to the national guard I believe?



Absolutely wrong. The word militia at the time referred to each and every adult(male?) citizen and 'well regulated' meant well prepared. Forgetting the 2nd amendment completely, read the 9th amendment. Even if the bill of rights did not address gun ownership specifically, the 9th would protect it.


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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2875021 - 07/10/04 12:47 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I meant present day.

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2875248 - 07/10/04 02:28 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The patriot act effects me because it exists.

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Re: The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
    #2875476 - 07/10/04 06:43 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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I forgot all the specifics, but the right for the people to bear arms is limited to the national guard I believe?



:rotfl:


Yah, the founding fathers were able to look forward in time and predict the creation of the National Guard years in the future. If only I could look forward 125+ years.

And how could the phrase "the right of the people" refer to anything but the people?

:rotfl:


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