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The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act
#2872745 - 07/09/04 12:14 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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On February 27, 1933, shortly after Hitler came to power as a minority vote President, the Reichstag (parliament) was burned down, and a Dutch communist was arrested for the crime. The building burned so fast that it was unlikely that a lone arsonist could have perpetrated the whole thing. This incident was immediately used as the excuse for passing the "Enabling Act," which "temporarily" suspended civil liberties in Germany.
Hmm, both Acts greatly increased dictatorial powers for an egomaniac.
Both Acts were given names to inspire trust.
Both Acts were passed to safeguard the nation.
Both Acts were allegedly to be temporary.
Both Acts were passed immediately after a terrorist act (the text had already been typed and waiting).
Both Acts were swallowed whole by the blind majority as being in their best interests until they woke up way too late.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2872821 - 07/09/04 12:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The difference is the arson was not a part of an international group of thousands and thousands of members, countless years of operations, and who plan to burn major buildings at any cost.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2872824 - 07/09/04 12:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe Nazi Germany was a test-run for present-day USA?
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2872831 - 07/09/04 12:39 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're a very silly fella.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2873023 - 07/09/04 01:21 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perhaps, but so far every single political prediction that I have made has come true. It is not prophecy, but reading the signs. Those who are sleep-walking never see the danger coming.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2873027 - 07/09/04 01:22 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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wake up then.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
#2873039 - 07/09/04 01:26 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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^ ^ ^ ^ What he said.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
#2873149 - 07/09/04 01:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I imagine that what was said about those Germans opposed to Hitler in WWII would have been similar to many of the messages here:
Leave the country.
You are unpatriotic.
You are a wacko conspiracist.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2873262 - 07/09/04 02:20 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just like the Iraqis who opposed Saddam, right?
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
#2873427 - 07/09/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well...yes, actually 
Oh wait, no...Saddam just killed them all while Bush 1 looked the other way...
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: trendal]
#2873441 - 07/09/04 02:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
trendal said: Oh wait, no...Saddam just killed them all while Bush 1 looked the other way...
Ya, that sucked, we shoulda finished the job off, that way nobody could bitch about our invasion in the present day.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
#2873453 - 07/09/04 02:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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They'd still be bitching, just about other things.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2873478 - 07/09/04 02:59 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Because they dont 'feel' good, which is what life is about, feeling good, right?
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
#2873500 - 07/09/04 03:04 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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no you're susposed to deny yourself of all narcistic pleasures because when you die you will be rejoicing on glorious streets of gold and mansions with the lord our god
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Redo]
#2873501 - 07/09/04 03:04 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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To a large extent.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2882568 - 07/12/04 02:24 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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why do you hate america?
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
#2882855 - 07/12/04 03:59 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Revelation]
#2882923 - 07/12/04 04:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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way to miss the sarcasm...
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2883041 - 07/12/04 05:23 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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...And the Fourth reich shall last a thousand years... Quote:
Hmm, both Acts greatly increased dictatorial powers for an egomaniac.
Both Acts were given names to inspire trust.
Both Acts were passed to safeguard the nation.
Both Acts were allegedly to be temporary.
Both Acts were passed immediately after a terrorist act (the text had already been typed and waiting).
Both Acts were swallowed whole by the blind majority as being in their best interests until they woke up way too late.
Both actions were prelude to fascism...mmm, didn't I just read a post in which elections could be suspended? Sig Heil, Beeeatches, all you "mud races"best find a freindly white face to buy you up or it may be off to the "camp" for you. All you alleged conservatives will be feeeling real liberal when you get loaded into a cattle car.
"Those who disregard history are doomed to repeat it",Some smart guy.
"I have opened the doors of perception and can't get them shut, now I am fucked for free.Everyday, yeah, I'm just fucked",Jimmie's Chicken Shack WR
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: whiterasta]
#2883072 - 07/12/04 05:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Take a deep breath and step back from the ledge. Is this really a political forum if the discussion is "George Bush is Adolf Hitler"?
I think that this does more than just a slight disservice to the actual victims of the holocaust when you trivalize Hitler like this. Standards for discourse are very low here.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: JesusChrist]
#2883086 - 07/12/04 05:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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While I doubt we will have a holocaust in America(other than the one that already happened to the natives), it should be obvious to anyone who's paying attention that we are quickly heading in a more authoritarian direction.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: JesusChrist]
#2883291 - 07/12/04 06:38 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've read the thread, I don't see anyone herein comparing Bush to Hitler.
nice try though!
If you can't recognize the similarities and historical precedent of the two acts and instead continue to buy the "it can't happen here" thing, then all I can do is hope that the herdsmen goes easy on you when it's time to shear the sheep.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
#2883302 - 07/12/04 06:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
I've read the thread, I don't see anyone herein comparing Bush to Hitler.
I have little doubt that what Swami was going for.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2883324 - 07/12/04 06:44 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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can you prove that?
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
#2883343 - 07/12/04 06:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Conclusively? Of course not. Yet Swami's previous post's provide pretty clear evidence.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2883351 - 07/12/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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meh
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2883376 - 07/12/04 06:52 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Conclusively? Of course not. Yet Swami's previous post's provide pretty clear evidence.
Quite a leap of logic for Mr. Semantics himself.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: silversoul7]
#2883385 - 07/12/04 06:54 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
silversoul7 said:
Quote:
luvdemshrooms said: Conclusively? Of course not.
Yet Swami's previous post's provide pretty clear evidence.
Quite a leap of logic for Mr. Semantics himself.
Still bitter lil' fella? That's not a healthy way to live.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2883389 - 07/12/04 06:55 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not bitter. Just pointing out the irony.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: silversoul7]
#2883393 - 07/12/04 06:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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that's not irony.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
#2883402 - 07/12/04 06:57 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya, I guess "hypocrisy" would've been a better word, but I didn't feel like being that mean.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: silversoul7]
#2883421 - 07/12/04 07:01 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: silversoul7]
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Wipe the anger from your eyes and you'll note I did not proclaim any proof. As such I have not declared him guilty and have merely given my opinion.
What hypocrisy?
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2883458 - 07/12/04 07:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yet Swami's previous post's provide pretty clear evidence.
That's not merely a statement of opinion. It makes factual claims.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: silversoul7]
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dude, seriously, why not just tell luvdem that you think he's cute and that you want to take him to the winter formal instead of playing all these games.
it's getting tedious...
I think he likes you!
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
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That thought occurred to me when he put that quote in his sig.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: silversoul7]
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Of evidence. Not of proof.
Now whether you agree with the evidence is something entirely different.
Keep trying though.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
#2883532 - 07/12/04 07:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think he likes you!
You mean that shot of his sphincter wasn't directed to me?
I'm crushed.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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fucker....I'm eating dinner.
the last thing I needed was to be reminded of SS7's take on goatse.
idle hands truly do the devil's work...
we need to get that boy a girlfriend.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
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Enjoy your meal.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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A poster unable to refute a point made will always obsfucate with a tired tactit like a comment about the poster. This is usually a sign of either laziness, intellectual weakness or a silent admission of agreement with the poster's view point.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
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afoaf said: I've read the thread, I don't see anyone herein comparing Bush to Hitler.
nice try though!
If you can't recognize the similarities and historical precedent of the two acts and instead continue to buy the "it can't happen here" thing, then all I can do is hope that the herdsmen goes easy on you when it's time to shear the sheep.
I am sorry, must be my poor reading comprehension. I had to leave this forum for a week or so because of arguments like this.
Posters were talking about Hitler and George Bush being egomanical dictators, how Nazi Germany was a test run for modern day America, and how people would eventually be loaded into cattle cars and carted away to death camps. I guess I missed the point completely. Man was I way off the mark!
I am not Jewish, but I have Jewish family. To trivialize Hitler is an insult not only to them but to humanity.
I am not a big fan of the Patriot Act. I don't like giving up civil liberties. Many conservatives aren't quite comforatble with that notion. The dichotomy of my beliefs is that I want the government to have as little power as possible while also ensuring my safety and security to a reasonable extent. In today's world, the trade off between those two goals provide conflict, and politics is our source of conflict resolution. The patriot act is a legitimate topic.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: JesusChrist]
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I don't buy into the Hitler/GeeDub ponderances.
I believe Max Headroom's 'test run' comment was made jokingly, if not sarcastically.
my nana was a closet jew, a fact many of us didn't know until late in her life because she kept it very secretive due to the environment that she lived in, I mention this only because I can empathize with your point, but...
while the results of the patriot act remain to be seen, its birth from the destruction of the WTC and pentagon parallel the rise of the enabling act from the smoke and ashes of the Reichstag.
whether it will be used as a launchpad for such sinister acts as those perpetrated by the third reich is unlikely, but the fact that we've begun to walk that same path scares the hell out of me....repeating history and whatnot.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
#2884531 - 07/12/04 11:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Friendly Facism is a term coined by and a book written by Betram Gross. I recommend that everyone read it as it would seem to describe fairly well what our Republic is sliding towards. One cannot blame just GWB and the current administration, but the Demopublican/Republocrat duopoly and a complacent polity with no sense of history but a deep sense of entitlement combined with a puritanical streak and a clamoring for the promised goodies of democracy. Our demise will be looked back at by future generations in as little as a few paragraphs, but as we live it, the slide is imperceptible to most because of it's gradual nature and the willing accomplices everywhere from both the left and the right.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2884564 - 07/13/04 12:05 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is a very good point. I think about what happened in WWII a lot and i come to the realization that our country could be headed in the same direction.
our country is full of people who are just waiting to believe in someone clever enough to keep them "under control" to a certain degree.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Evolving]
#2884570 - 07/13/04 12:07 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Evolving for president! (At least we would finally have a "hot" first lady! )
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: JesusChrist]
#2884662 - 07/13/04 01:02 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Posters were talking about Hitler and George Bush being egomanical dictators, how Nazi Germany was a test run for modern day America, and how people would eventually be loaded into cattle cars and carted away to death camps. I guess I missed the point completely. Man was I way off the mark!
I am not Jewish, but I have Jewish family. To trivialize Hitler is an insult not only to them but to humanity.
What a meshugonah goyim!...Feh! If you have any Jewish relatives who survived Nazi Germany,Ask them if Adolf did not woo them as a rational man then turned when he gained power. Like the smart guy said"those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" I bet those fellows in guantanamo bay feel real trivialized by your comments,or the americans held to check their papers after travel. I am sick of people playing racial "trump" cards like "the Holocast" or "Slavery" at every imagined slight,screw you, all my ancestors were raped by moorish invaders before any of your problems so I want reparations first WR
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2884906 - 07/13/04 03:34 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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And sometimes they're just right on the mark.
Keep dreaming.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2884967 - 07/13/04 04:20 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dear friends. It is time to stop explaining to those who are not willing to understand. We do not have much time to estalish alternative to this fasistic regime we are heading to. We must start gathering and articulating political force that will be able to remove those who do not belong to worlds politics any more. We must save this civilisation and its democratic adace from the corrupt government and those citizens who do not underastand what is this all about. We have to move our focuses from criticism, to the making solutions of solving this great prolem of the world. And rememer one thing. Democracy is not a rule of the majority, but rule of the people. Those who want to be above these people, creating patriot acts, manipulating by public opinionetc., even if they are supported by majority are the true enemies of the human kind. We must take this problem seriously, because that is the only way to avoid a hell that is set right before us. Get cool, start true action!
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: whiterasta]
#2884993 - 07/13/04 04:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you have any Jewish relatives who survived Nazi Germany,Ask them if Adolf did not woo them as a rational man then turned when he gained power.
Hitler was publicly expressing his opinion of the Jews long before he was in a position of power. There was no 'turning' involved... From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew ;The Great Master of Lies;. Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail." "The yoke of slavery is and always will remain the most unpleasant experience that mankind can endure. Do the Schwabing decadents look upon Germanys lot to-day as aesthetic Of course, one doesnt discuss such a question with the Jews, because they are the modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their very existence is an incarnate denial of the beauty of Gods image in His creation." The ignorance of the broad masses as regards the inner character of the Jew, and the lack of instinct and insight that our upper classes display, are some of the reasons which explain how it is that so many people fall an easy prey to the systematic campaign of falsehood which the Jew carries on. Wooo Woooo Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: st0nedphucker]
#2885404 - 07/13/04 09:52 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wrong interpretation of MY intent in my post.I hold no preconcieved stereotypes of any race,how can I? I am one of the mud people the aryans love to hate.I am just sick of all the racial "trump" cards people use,nearly every race has it's "holocast" and that is human history.The one in WW2 just happened to a race with a long written history of "Taking the role of victim"or Violently declaring God's will". As far as historical atrocities go it is neither the largest mass murder of a race nor was it even the most cruel handling of a race in recent history.I would have to give the big prize to the westward expansion of white men that prize.And you know what's kinda funny? they used to bitch about it but now they are scalping crackers and building casinos.They'll win back their land on IOU's WR
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Evolving]
#2885543 - 07/13/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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jesus...now I'm really scared.
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