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Swami
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2884147 - 07/12/04 10:00 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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A poster unable to refute a point made will always obsfucate with a tired tactit like a comment about the poster. This is usually a sign of either laziness, intellectual weakness or a silent admission of agreement with the poster's view point.
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JesusChrist
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
#2884197 - 07/12/04 10:15 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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afoaf said: I've read the thread, I don't see anyone herein comparing Bush to Hitler.
nice try though!
If you can't recognize the similarities and historical precedent of the two acts and instead continue to buy the "it can't happen here" thing, then all I can do is hope that the herdsmen goes easy on you when it's time to shear the sheep.
I am sorry, must be my poor reading comprehension. I had to leave this forum for a week or so because of arguments like this.
Posters were talking about Hitler and George Bush being egomanical dictators, how Nazi Germany was a test run for modern day America, and how people would eventually be loaded into cattle cars and carted away to death camps. I guess I missed the point completely. Man was I way off the mark!
I am not Jewish, but I have Jewish family. To trivialize Hitler is an insult not only to them but to humanity.
I am not a big fan of the Patriot Act. I don't like giving up civil liberties. Many conservatives aren't quite comforatble with that notion. The dichotomy of my beliefs is that I want the government to have as little power as possible while also ensuring my safety and security to a reasonable extent. In today's world, the trade off between those two goals provide conflict, and politics is our source of conflict resolution. The patriot act is a legitimate topic.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: JesusChrist]
#2884448 - 07/12/04 11:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't buy into the Hitler/GeeDub ponderances.
I believe Max Headroom's 'test run' comment was made jokingly, if not sarcastically.
my nana was a closet jew, a fact many of us didn't know until late in her life because she kept it very secretive due to the environment that she lived in, I mention this only because I can empathize with your point, but...
while the results of the patriot act remain to be seen, its birth from the destruction of the WTC and pentagon parallel the rise of the enabling act from the smoke and ashes of the Reichstag.
whether it will be used as a launchpad for such sinister acts as those perpetrated by the third reich is unlikely, but the fact that we've begun to walk that same path scares the hell out of me....repeating history and whatnot.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: afoaf]
#2884531 - 07/12/04 11:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Friendly Facism is a term coined by and a book written by Betram Gross. I recommend that everyone read it as it would seem to describe fairly well what our Republic is sliding towards. One cannot blame just GWB and the current administration, but the Demopublican/Republocrat duopoly and a complacent polity with no sense of history but a deep sense of entitlement combined with a puritanical streak and a clamoring for the promised goodies of democracy. Our demise will be looked back at by future generations in as little as a few paragraphs, but as we live it, the slide is imperceptible to most because of it's gradual nature and the willing accomplices everywhere from both the left and the right.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2884564 - 07/13/04 12:05 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is a very good point. I think about what happened in WWII a lot and i come to the realization that our country could be headed in the same direction.
our country is full of people who are just waiting to believe in someone clever enough to keep them "under control" to a certain degree.
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Swami
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Evolving]
#2884570 - 07/13/04 12:07 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Evolving for president! (At least we would finally have a "hot" first lady! )
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: JesusChrist]
#2884662 - 07/13/04 01:02 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Posters were talking about Hitler and George Bush being egomanical dictators, how Nazi Germany was a test run for modern day America, and how people would eventually be loaded into cattle cars and carted away to death camps. I guess I missed the point completely. Man was I way off the mark!
I am not Jewish, but I have Jewish family. To trivialize Hitler is an insult not only to them but to humanity.
What a meshugonah goyim!...Feh! If you have any Jewish relatives who survived Nazi Germany,Ask them if Adolf did not woo them as a rational man then turned when he gained power. Like the smart guy said"those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" I bet those fellows in guantanamo bay feel real trivialized by your comments,or the americans held to check their papers after travel. I am sick of people playing racial "trump" cards like "the Holocast" or "Slavery" at every imagined slight,screw you, all my ancestors were raped by moorish invaders before any of your problems so I want reparations first WR
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2884906 - 07/13/04 03:34 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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And sometimes they're just right on the mark.
Keep dreaming.
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
#2884967 - 07/13/04 04:20 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dear friends. It is time to stop explaining to those who are not willing to understand. We do not have much time to estalish alternative to this fasistic regime we are heading to. We must start gathering and articulating political force that will be able to remove those who do not belong to worlds politics any more. We must save this civilisation and its democratic adace from the corrupt government and those citizens who do not underastand what is this all about. We have to move our focuses from criticism, to the making solutions of solving this great prolem of the world. And rememer one thing. Democracy is not a rule of the majority, but rule of the people. Those who want to be above these people, creating patriot acts, manipulating by public opinionetc., even if they are supported by majority are the true enemies of the human kind. We must take this problem seriously, because that is the only way to avoid a hell that is set right before us. Get cool, start true action!
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: whiterasta]
#2884993 - 07/13/04 04:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you have any Jewish relatives who survived Nazi Germany,Ask them if Adolf did not woo them as a rational man then turned when he gained power.
Hitler was publicly expressing his opinion of the Jews long before he was in a position of power. There was no 'turning' involved... From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew ;The Great Master of Lies;. Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail." "The yoke of slavery is and always will remain the most unpleasant experience that mankind can endure. Do the Schwabing decadents look upon Germanys lot to-day as aesthetic Of course, one doesnt discuss such a question with the Jews, because they are the modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their very existence is an incarnate denial of the beauty of Gods image in His creation." The ignorance of the broad masses as regards the inner character of the Jew, and the lack of instinct and insight that our upper classes display, are some of the reasons which explain how it is that so many people fall an easy prey to the systematic campaign of falsehood which the Jew carries on. Wooo Woooo Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: st0nedphucker]
#2885404 - 07/13/04 09:52 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wrong interpretation of MY intent in my post.I hold no preconcieved stereotypes of any race,how can I? I am one of the mud people the aryans love to hate.I am just sick of all the racial "trump" cards people use,nearly every race has it's "holocast" and that is human history.The one in WW2 just happened to a race with a long written history of "Taking the role of victim"or Violently declaring God's will". As far as historical atrocities go it is neither the largest mass murder of a race nor was it even the most cruel handling of a race in recent history.I would have to give the big prize to the westward expansion of white men that prize.And you know what's kinda funny? they used to bitch about it but now they are scalping crackers and building casinos.They'll win back their land on IOU's WR
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Re: The Enabling Act vs. The Patriot Act [Re: Evolving]
#2885543 - 07/13/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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jesus...now I'm really scared.
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