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Re: Religious harassment [Re: Mickalopagus] * 3
    #28713670 - 03/25/24 06:34 PM (3 months, 5 hours ago)

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ManianFH said: It's no sweat off my back what anyone believes, so long as they aren't shoving it down other people's throats. Those kinds of people need to find a hobby.




This is the root of the problem I have with most theists.
Why do they have to force everyone else to do what they do?  Why does it have to be law that abortions aren't allowed?  Just don't get abortions if you don't believe in in them.
My mom raised me Orthodox Christian.
Long story short, over the last several months I've been finally asking her deep questions about her faith, namely the book of Revelation.
She told me that the book of Revelation is the only part of the Bible she hasn't read.
So I told her that I would like it if we both read it and then we can talk about it.
She agreed.
I read it within three or four days.
She still hasn't finished it, and it's been like three months.

You have to understand that my mom is very religious.  She goes to all the services, not just the Sunday liturgy.  She's actually head of the church management group or something.  She leads the meetings. 
She sews the gowns that the acolytes wear during the service.
She has such a loving heart and I do love her so much.
She raised me very well for the most part and I'm very thankful for that.

But I've come to realize that I think she has been scared into submission by the church.
She doesn't seem able to finish the book of Revelation.
I think she is scared.
I can't help but think less of her because of it.
I've mentioned several times about it and she always has an excuse.
I've stopped bringing it up because it starts to make me feel bad if I do, because I know she will let me down by saying she hasn't read it.

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Re: Religious harassment [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28713687 - 03/25/24 06:42 PM (3 months, 5 hours ago)

One time I was visiting a friend, and they needed to go to church because it was Sunday.
It was a Mormon church, so just to mess with them. I made sure to wear a necklace of Saint Jude.

I saw them convene and talk about the necklace. They changed what they were talking about that day to masturbation.
:rofl:

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Re: Religious harassment [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28713689 - 03/25/24 06:46 PM (3 months, 5 hours ago)

What do you mean "masturbation"?  What did they say :lol:

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Re: Religious harassment [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #28713694 - 03/25/24 06:50 PM (3 months, 5 hours ago)

I often find it difficult visiting and spending extended amounts of time with relatives and certain friends for relatively similar reasons.

Many times it can almost seem like they're infected with some mind altering virus.

It's insane - in that - it that keeps us from more freely examining the shared world when we're together.  Also, when it does, it does so in some rather boring, highly predictable, and otherwise completely ridiculous ways... asinine ways.

It can sometimes be pretty saddening, depressing even.

Ignorance truly sucks.  :hug:


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28713693 - 03/25/24 06:50 PM (3 months, 5 hours ago)

Oh, they made a big speech about carnal desires, and the addiction that can form when you look at porn on the Internet.
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Re: Religious harassment [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28713743 - 03/25/24 07:28 PM (3 months, 5 hours ago)

:nodofunderstanding:

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Re: Religious harassment [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28713746 - 03/25/24 07:30 PM (3 months, 5 hours ago)

^ People do become addicted to internet porn genesis. For guys it can create real problems when it comes to the “real” thing. Not to mention how pornography shapes the idea of what sex is meant to be in the minds of young men, and there’s some research suggesting it affects hormone levels particularly testosterone.

Not everything religious people say is nutty.  Personally I’ve found online porn addictive and I know of others who are the same.

Far better off using your imagination instead of some selfish Jack hammering dude half plugging a dry hole.


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: Fridgedoor] * 1
    #28713839 - 03/25/24 08:27 PM (3 months, 4 hours ago)

If you're not a member of whichever faith, lots of times, you're not even going to understand the reference, much less, take it as harassment. :confused:

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Re: Religious harassment [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 3
    #28713876 - 03/25/24 08:44 PM (3 months, 3 hours ago)

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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
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ManianFH said: It's no sweat off my back what anyone believes, so long as they aren't shoving it down other people's throats. Those kinds of people need to find a hobby.




This is the root of the problem I have with most theists.
Why do they have to force everyone else to do what they do?  Why does it have to be law that abortions aren't allowed?  Just don't get abortions if you don't believe in in them.
My mom raised me Orthodox Christian.
Long story short, over the last several months I've been finally asking her deep questions about her faith, namely the book of Revelation.
She told me that the book of Revelation is the only part of the Bible she hasn't read.
So I told her that I would like it if we both read it and then we can talk about it.
She agreed.
I read it within three or four days.
She still hasn't finished it, and it's been like three months.

You have to understand that my mom is very religious.  She goes to all the services, not just the Sunday liturgy.  She's actually head of the church management group or something.  She leads the meetings. 
She sews the gowns that the acolytes wear during the service.
She has such a loving heart and I do love her so much.
She raised me very well for the most part and I'm very thankful for that.

But I've come to realize that I think she has been scared into submission by the church.
She doesn't seem able to finish the book of Revelation.
I think she is scared.
I can't help but think less of her because of it.
I've mentioned several times about it and she always has an excuse.
I've stopped bringing it up because it starts to make me feel bad if I do, because I know she will let me down by saying she hasn't read it.




Revelations is just a trip report


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: GenericHero] * 2
    #28713888 - 03/25/24 08:54 PM (3 months, 3 hours ago)

right?


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: GenericHero] * 2
    #28713893 - 03/25/24 09:00 PM (3 months, 3 hours ago)

Absolutely. If revelations isn’t the diction of a starved prisoner fed mushrooms by Romans who wanted to keep food rations for themselves, I’d be genuinely surprised.  Robert Anton Wilson suggested precisely this in the Illuminati trilogy.

One astonishing trip though. Dragons, seals of destruction, horses, a whore—

I do wonder what kind of a trip baked on Christians would have if they were dosed.  Strangely enough during my last experience I was taken right back to a youth group I attended when I was like 14-15, and the guy who ran it was talking about how he used to take mushrooms before he “came to Jesus”. 
    I’d forgotten about that for like 20 years and boom it came out in a trip. And you know what “the mushroom” said during that recollection

“We were waiting for you to find us since you were a kid and  we love you more than any god could”

Yeah…went all the way out there with that one.


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: Milleresque]
    #28713898 - 03/25/24 09:07 PM (3 months, 3 hours ago)

Im always wary of ethneogenic experiences, I think they're valuable, but they're filled with tricks of the mind and illusions, which aren't there with meditative experiences

For some sheep herders with no generational knowledge of mysticism and etheneogens, taking mushrooms by accident is like stepping on a mental landmine. All too easy to believe anything they see at face value

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Re: Religious harassment [Re: Milleresque]
    #28713908 - 03/25/24 09:13 PM (3 months, 3 hours ago)

The contents are highly reflective of the set and setting.

You could tell the dude wasn’t doing very well.

To say the least…

I’m nearly half convinced that some kind of deliriant or psychoactive was influencing his experience.
Be it that he ingested it unknowingly or knowingly, or, even if it was purely endogenous (not that it really makes an actual fundamental difference…either way)
Possibly a genuine psychedelic was at play, maybe… but I think that’s even less likely. 


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28713944 - 03/25/24 10:12 PM (3 months, 2 hours ago)

Maybe he was starving or dying from dehydration

Edit

The stuff I'm reading indicates that the island was inhabited at the time of his exile. I guess that would rule out starvation and such


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: GenericHero]
    #28713950 - 03/25/24 10:24 PM (3 months, 2 hours ago)

Probably something like that.

The projection leaks right off the page.
(Some) church leaders mistook the mind’s manifestations via hallucinations for a God’s warnings as to the future of all mankind if they didn’t obey the church. I would bet some might’ve known better, but, that they kept their mouth shut for the most part.

Ha…..:picard:

It’s really sad.  So much ignorance.

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Re: Religious harassment [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28713954 - 03/25/24 10:27 PM (3 months, 2 hours ago)

The old testament mentions mushrooms at some point funnily enough

When the Jews are wandering through the desert with no food, rain falls down and "meat" grows from the ground. Coincidentally right before the burning bush and the mountain

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Re: Religious harassment [Re: Repertoire89]
    #28713956 - 03/25/24 10:29 PM (3 months, 2 hours ago)

Mana, mannn.


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28713961 - 03/25/24 10:35 PM (3 months, 1 hour ago)

You guys ever hear about John m allegro? Archeologist guy. Got to translate some of the dead sea scrolls. Says Jesus never existed and that it was code for amanita muscaria. Early christians were some kind of mushroom cult according to him


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28713967 - 03/25/24 10:38 PM (3 months, 1 hour ago)

Makes sense about the water into wine. Some cultures had the shaman ingest mushroom and the rest of the group would drink his piss

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Might want to fact check me on the shaman piss


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Re: Religious harassment [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28713976 - 03/25/24 10:50 PM (3 months, 1 hour ago)

Yeah.  There’s countless findings regarding instances of psychedelics and psychoactive being used throughout human history to be found.  Naturally, they’re going to make an appearance in some form or another in some religious texts too.

The mystical experience essentially is a variation of psychedelic and or psychoactive experience; whether it be caused by exogenous agents or endogenous ones.  Either way though - there’s no psychedelic experience without some agent/substance - same with dreams and so-called ordinary ‘sober’ experience.  It’s still produced, it’s experience!  :oldman:

Most major religions feature some dude or dudes that tripped nuts at least once and misunderstood their own stuff something terrible, unfortunately. 

Well, not that all of it is wishful thinking, there’s some wisdom within religions too, but it’s not inherent to the religion itself, it’s available to human beings in general from oneself.

My gerd…look at that? I’m preaching to the choir and beating a dead horse at the same time.  Nice… :blah:


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