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Psylocibes - several strains and doses -What am I doing wrong?
    #28711698 - 03/24/24 12:47 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

I had tried fresh mushrooms in my thirties (don't know about grams, they were a couple 5 inches long or so) that I bought in Amsterdam and 3-5 grams of dried powder that I took a week after when I got home. 0 effects in both cases. To be fair the setting wasn't optimal (anti-drug gf was present in both occasions) but most likely I was scammed by those pesky Dutchmen.

Fast forward 20+ years and 30 lb (ok, more like 40) of fat I'm in Amsterdam again, this time alone, in a very cool hotel with nice rgb led lighting and groovy ambient music, so I say let's do it right this time. With an empty stomach (5 hour fasting) I took 10g of Hollandia truffles I bought in a tourist trap shop. I think they were starting to rot because one hour later I didn't feel anything (and the next day I got a belly ache). So I decided to take 6g of Tampanensis that I had got for microdosing. After a while I got in a very nice mood and a warm feeling. Also, an slightly increased ability to generate ideas (wrote a couple of aphorisms, too). That must have lasted a couple of hours. All in all, a good experience.

A couple of months later, at home, I took (again alone, after fasting for 5-6 hours) 15g of Atlantis truffles. After an hour I was having closed-eye hallucinations, specially since I covered my head with a blanket. At first, they were like sort of dark bluish geometric comic with jazzy vibes, then organic ones (monster like entities that were impressive but not scary, they didn't seem to mind me, and then like everything was like cells constantly vibrating). After that, I went to feels town with sobs and all. A thought appeared more clear, not particularly new or earth shattering but still more clearly formulated. Also I experienced convulsions when the thought was important and I was involuntarily making wry faces any time I had a sad feeling. I think that had I put my mind to it I could have stopped the convulsions but it didn't feel right to mess with the process. Quite an intense trip that lasted about 6 hours.

A month and half later, I repeated the setting with 15g of Minimex truffles and got 0 effects. I had kept them for 6 weeks in the fridge and maybe that was the reason.

Then 3 months later, I was in Thailand and got a smoothie of a thai variety (I'm assuming) alone at night at my bungalow. I got closed-eye hallucinations but I really had to focus on them. They were jade colored kaleidoscopic animations at first and then like organic ivory buildings. I also got some sad feelings (I had had a big argument with a loved one a couple of days before, maybe that was why?), convulsions and wry faces but less intense than with the Atlantis truffles. Also some reproach I made to myself appeared more clear. This one lasted for a couple of hours and was of medium intensity. Next night, I had another smoothie but, as kind of expected, got 0 effects.

Finally, 5-6 weeks later took 15g of Atlantis truffles I bought from a different shop than the first Atlantis I got and got just a mild happy mood for half an hour and then some psychological insights (again nothing I didn't really know, just that I saw it more clearly). Maybe it was because I took them in the afternoon and the room was too much daylight, maybe because I fasted only 3 hours or maybe because I wanted the trip to be over by night since I was expecting visitors, but it was quite underwhelming.

So 1.5 stars out of 5, I guess? My conclusion is that maybe I need higher doses and/or better preparation in the sense of not having a sense of urgency and, above all, try to trip in very dim lights.

I hope that's useful for someone and any comment is appreciated.


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Re: Psylocibes - several strains and doses -What am I doing wrong? [Re: mush_monkey] * 2
    #28711966 - 03/24/24 03:51 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

I think you were just a bit unlucky with those fresh mushrooms in Amsterdam (before the "shroom ban" around 2009). There were some reliable brands such as McSmart, although I did once get a pack from Sirius that happened to be completely inactive.

These pans cyans (sold in packs of 12g fresh) were consistently potent, as demonstrated in the trip report linked below:



A Hallucinogenic Nightmare of Unbelievable Intensity - delusions, mania & pans cyans

:slowpoke:

The potency of "magic truffles" (sclerotia) available from smartshops is extremely variable, but tends to be on the weak side.

A standard "ballpark" conversion is that 5g fresh truffles = 1g dry cubes. In theory a standard 15g pack of truffles should be equivalent to 3g cubes, and for McKenna's "heroic dose" you would need 25g truffles. Although this potency is achievable (depending on genetics and how long the truffles are allowed to "mature" before harvesting), it's a bit optimistic compared to what you usually find in a smartshop.

I would guess that 7.5g truffles = 1g cubes is a more realistic expectation for the medium-strength truffles on sale, and the weaker truffles are less potent than that. This means that you are likely to need closer to 30g (2 packs) before experiencing a "full-blown" trip. If you get some reasonable CEV and something that feels like a medium-strength trip off 15g, that doesn't sound too bad.

There are a variety of companies selling a variety of truffles with a variety of potencies that change over time. "Special edition" magic truffles can often start out at a decent potency which gradually declines over a few years.

For example, the first time I tried "Dragon's Dynamite" (made-up names mostly unrelated to species), a 15g dose was so strong I was imagining the local mental hospitals filling up with psychedelic casualties. My CEV started with imagery of spiralling up into the air from a field, like the view from a helicopter which has just dropped off troops into a landing zone in a Vietnam war movie. I wrote a line in my trip journal "I'm thinking of irrigation ditches. For the bodies." It makes me chuckle now, but at the time it was unexpectedly intense and caught me off guard.

15g Dragon's Dynamite Sclerotia - an indirect way to experience Egypt

:scaryshroom:

You can still buy those same truffles, but the potency has really dropped off over the years. I stuck to the "McSmart" brand truffles for several years (the "High Hawaiians," a later special edition, were decent value) and in the last few years switched to the "Sirius" (Freshbox) branded ones. Their latest special edition "palladium" truffles are pretty good (closer to the 5g truffles = 1g cubes kind of range) but only sold in certain smartshops. :mushroom2:

I think the disappointing trips you describe are most likely entirely related to dose / potency issues. You can really feel the difference when you take enough for a decently strong trip; but you don't want to throw caution to the wind and get the opposite problem where the intensity ramps up into something very intimidating.

As a sort of gauge for how strong I'm tripping, I feel like the threshold for a solid trip is when glyphs / alphabet soup appear in the walls. The open-eye visuals tend to be a bit more subtle than closed-eye for me; if the whole room starts shapeshifting around me I can tell I took a bit too much and it's going to be extremely intense.

Good vibes for your future trips!

:aliceshocker: :feelsshroomyman:


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Re: Psylocibes - several strains and doses -What am I doing wrong? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #28712061 - 03/24/24 04:49 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

Thank you! Very useful information (your account of your trips is fantastic, too).

I'm currently trying to grow some P. McKennaii at the moment, but those truffles you mentioned are in my future!


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Re: Psylocibes - several strains and doses -What am I doing wrong? [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28713255 - 03/25/24 12:14 PM (3 months, 21 hours ago)

Howdy.

Do you take other drugs or prescription meds?

The best way to have consistency is dried mushrooms weighed with a scale.

Be well.

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Re: Psylocibes - several strains and doses -What am I doing wrong? [Re: Soul Flight] * 1
    #28713411 - 03/25/24 02:32 PM (3 months, 19 hours ago)

Thanks! No, I don't take anything. I've ordered a psilocibin concentration test and intend to measure the concentration of the mushrooms I harvest and then calculate the weight of dried mushrooms to have a better chance at getting the right dose.


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Re: Psylocibes - several strains and doses -What am I doing wrong? [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28714883 - 03/26/24 02:52 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

Nice write up :smile::thumbup:

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Re: Psylocibes - several strains and doses -What am I doing wrong? [Re: mush_monkey]
    #28761188 - 05/04/24 05:42 AM (1 month, 23 days ago)

Quote:

mush_monkey said:
I've ordered a psilocibin concentration test and intend to measure the concentration of the mushrooms I harvest



Could you elaborate on the result?

Regarding the strains of sclerotia I've tried in the Netherlands, I would say that only the Hollandia and Valhalla strains have been worth trying in my experience.
Valhalla, in particular, has been the best so far. I had a really enjoyable trip with 15g of fresh Valhalla.


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Re: Psylocibes - several strains and doses -What am I doing wrong? [Re: Bra]
    #28762276 - 05/05/24 12:30 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Oh, yeah

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28717726

TL;dr I didn't performed the test as I was supposed to and did it only on one small shrooms. Results were off the charts but either wrong (user error) or not representative. Takes 4 g for a great trip.


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