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OfflineFrog
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I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!!
    #2870694 - 07/09/04 12:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have heard this so many times, how people are going to change the world. Fuck that.

What if you knew that you couldn't change the world? What if all the knowledge in the world didn't matter one iota to the idea that you could change the world?

Someone became pissed off at me tonight becuase I didn't care about the Berlin Wall. Okay, it came down. Big deal. I am aware of it. Just how emotional over it do I have to become?

I told him I don't really care about historical events, that I am just here to do my part. I don't believe that what I am here to do will impact on the world in such a significant manner that I need to be aware of everything.

Why can't I just do my part, without being aware of all the fuck else? Can't I help humanity wihtout being aware of the
Berlin wall???


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2870772 - 07/09/04 12:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Westerners have been brainwashed by hollywood movies, which always focus on the individual's ability to resolve the world's problems.

this is, of course, propaganda to re-enforce capitalist/individualist values, and to discredit the possibilities of group action.

Why can't I just do my part, without being aware of all the fuck else? Can't I help humanity wihtout being aware of the
Berlin wall???


its impossible to understand current situations without understanding how they came to be. And its impossible to solve current problems without understanding the situation.


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2870870 - 07/09/04 12:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Change starts from within. :sun:


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2870904 - 07/09/04 12:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Everybody can change the world.


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Positronius]
    #2870924 - 07/09/04 12:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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this is, of course, propaganda to re-enforce capitalist/individualist values, and to discredit the possibilities of group action.





Interesting. I never thought of that. (and I tend to hatch crazy thoughts like that in my head a lot, so I'm surprised I hadn't..)


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2870930 - 07/09/04 12:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Leave politics out of it.


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Positronius]
    #2871195 - 07/09/04 01:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Positronius said:
this is, of course, propaganda to re-enforce capitalist/individualist values, and to discredit the possibilities of group action.



Thank gawd no simple minded communist/collectivists values pop into simpletons heads compelling them to think that they could change the world and start workers revolutions. Think of the millions of deaths and impoverishment that would result from such insanity!

Oh, wait... that HAS happened.


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Evolving]
    #2871212 - 07/09/04 01:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'll make an exception in your case.


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2871331 - 07/09/04 02:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

that's one way to look at it :wink:

I tend to think that everyone's individual world is jst as important, and if you can have an impact on an individual, you have changed the world.

The berlin wall and its tearing down is important in that it actually happened.  and it wasn't one person who tore down the wall, it was many people.  each person had to have their idea changed about how they lived in order to revolt against East germany (was it east germany? :blush:).  Each person had to individualy have their ideas changed.  so while you maight not see huge results in the long run, the results will come in time. 

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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Evolving]
    #2871345 - 07/09/04 02:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thank gawd no simple...."

sorry, were you making a point with your last statement? please clarify, if you were, if that was some sort of attack on my statement, please review the context of my statement and reconsider. thanks.


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2871552 - 07/09/04 03:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thats the key, the berlin wall was many days ago..

today is the day you make your future

life builds, one action has many consequences


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Positronius]
    #2872369 - 07/09/04 12:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Westerners have been brainwashed by hollywood movies, which always focus on the individual's ability to resolve the world's problems. this is, of course, propaganda to re-enforce capitalist/individualist values, and to discredit the possibilities of group action.

Labeling Hollywood movies as propaganda seems like a huge misinterpretation. They are simply a reflection of (mostly western) life and imagination. Most movies are art and/or entertainment, not intentional messages being utilized to reinforce values.

Frog, I don't think changing the world is an important goal for most individuals. Improving their quality of life is, and that goal usually results in changes (which may or may not impact the world).


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Viaggio]
    #2872466 - 07/09/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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viaggio said:
Labeling Hollywood movies as propaganda seems like a huge misinterpretation.  They are simply a reflection of (mostly western) life and imagination.  Most movies are art and/or entertainment, not intentional messages being utilized to reinforce values.





Actually, there have been times in history where the government commissioned (forced?) movie industries to put out nothing but propaganda films. Pro-war movies, anti-drug movies, etc. etc...  movie producers don't want to get locked up for being Communists, you know. :lol:

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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Viaggio]
    #2872668 - 07/09/04 01:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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viaggio said:
Frog, I don't think changing the world is an important goal for most individuals. Improving their quality of life is, and that goal usually results in changes (which may or may not impact the world).




That's a good way of putting it, viaggio. I am personally not out to change the world. I am here to help people. But in helping people with their problems, they will go on to do their part in the world. It will be a cumulative effect, somehow, so that ultimately, the world does in fact change.

And I read the other posts above. I still don't understand why it is important to know about things like the Berlin wall, or any other historical events. I know I sound ignorant, and if someone gives me a good reason, I will start learning history. But I have always hated history. It's so fucking boring.

My apologies to history buffs. I appreciate history buffs when something is going on, somewhere in the world, and there is back ground that is need to be understood, to understand current events. Then, I just find the closest history buff and get filled in on why something is happening.


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2872687 - 07/09/04 01:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Can't I help humanity wihtout being aware of the
Berlin wall???




Sure you can!
I guess some people like to live in the past, or at least give to much attention and importance to that matter. I say fuck them, the past is needed to understand the present and don't make the same mistakes in the future. It has nothing to do with helping other people, in fact, people needing help just want to know about the present and future for obvious reasons.

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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2872711 - 07/09/04 02:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Frog said:
And I read the other posts above. I still don't understand why it is important to know about things like the Berlin wall, or any other historical events. I know I sound ignorant, and if someone gives me a good reason, I will start learning history. But I have always hated history. It's so fucking boring.

My apologies to history buffs. I appreciate history buffs when something is going on, somewhere in the world, and there is back ground that is need to be understood, to understand current events. Then, I just find the closest history buff and get filled in on why something is happening.




To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to always remain a child. For what is the worth of human life, unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors by the records of history? - Cicero


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2872765 - 07/09/04 02:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Tons of money flew and flow into dark chennels disappearing after opening the berlin walls. No benefit to the population of both sides. It's a very complex theme, not all to the good.
Also after the wall-falling, Moskow intenses his inner walls more and more to safe its survival in stupid manners.
Corruption is everywhere.
That's a point for everybody, what could change the world. Starting with the individual.
Yes, i think changing the world starts at an individual level.


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #2872773 - 07/09/04 02:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: psikooz]
    #2872963 - 07/09/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I am in agreement with Cicero that to remain ignorant of historical events is to be a child.  But I AM a child, pretty much, anyways, so that doesn't move me.

"It has nothing to do with helping other people, in fact, people needing help just want to know about the present and future for obvious reasons."

I would think that there are people in the world that make decisions that affect us.  Those would be the politicians, right?  Now, they should understand history, so that the same mistakes aren't made.  That's their job.

I, of course, should make sure I know the backgrounds of the politicians for whom I vote, because I want the best candidate for the job making policy decisions, right?

In the meantime, I can remain ignorant and keep doing that which I know I am capable of doing, which hopefully helps people, and maybe impacts the world in the future, reverberating into the future, ya see? 

I don't think each of us needs to understand history in order to do our jobs, and in order to help the world.

See, my world is small.  I can barely keep track of shit in my own small world.  But I'm a good attorney and I do a good job helping people.  I couldn't imagine how chaotic my life would become if I had to start keeping an eye on the world, too.  Somebody else should have that job, like, the historians.  :grin:


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Re: I AM GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!! [Re: Frog]
    #2873146 - 07/09/04 03:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Tis not knowing much, but what is useful, that makes a wise man."
- Thomas Fuller

Or woman :smile:


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