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Help a rookie out with advice
    #28703062 - 03/18/24 03:57 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)





Hi there, before you recommend reading the basic stuff I've done my fare share in the past 2 months on contamination, different teks and whatnot. This grain bag in particular has been inoc. with liquid culture of cubes. I've been trying my best to maintain constant temperatures in my grow room but the past few days has seen big differences and I've noticed A LOT of water/condensation. Have been rotating the bag since but the mycelium looks a bit too watery (and I fear at parts a tiny bit creamy which of course is not good). There doesn't seem to be a lot of metabolites except on the bottom (mark however than this grain was somewhat chalky on the getgo and left wet prints of similar colour even during inoculation). As this is my first ever spawn I am going to spawn it even if there is SOME bacterial contam.
How does it look to you guys? Do you think I can spawn it before it's absolutely 100% all colonised since some spots seem to be more difficult than others (maybe contamed as well) to prevent further water/condensation buildup or is it safer to wait?

P.S. The date is 5 days/ a week before I actually inoculated the grain.

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Re: Help a rookie out with advice [Re: Knopkey]
    #28703097 - 03/18/24 05:29 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Does it bruise or turn yellowish brown when you squeeze it? I just tossed two bags yesterday because they had that white creamy shit growing. It did’t bruise blue and it didn’t break up easily like “myc grain's. Also didn’t have any metabolites.  Final test was the smell. It smelled sweet and not like mushrooms at all.  If ifs doing any of the things I described it’s likely mold.

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Re: Help a rookie out with advice [Re: Mwj12977]
    #28703130 - 03/18/24 06:26 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

I just sqeezed it and broke the cake in 3 pieces :frown:
Is that a problem? I don't think it's mold but that's just my opinion. The mycelium used to be fluffy white and looked great before I had the temp changes.
I hope I didn't f*ck it up completely by breaking it. Anyway there's no blue bruising but before I broke the cake there wasn't any reason to have it....

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Re: Help a rookie out with advice [Re: Knopkey]
    #28703220 - 03/18/24 08:36 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

If it’s solid like that you should see some bruising from squeezing it. The bags I tossed were solid white and broke into big pieces. What I experienced was good bags that recovered after the first two shakes shake. Typically when I break and shake I end up with individual pieces of grain covered in myc. Sometimes there are little clumps of grain but they are small and break up easily when I’m mixing tubs. Never the big chunks.

I got lazy and instead of using my spawn 10 days ago I didn’t use it. Then I noticed the thick white mold taking over the myc. It spread circular just like myc but had solid edges and wasn’t hairy looking anymore. 

You didn’t hurt anything by breaking it up.  I would go ahead and make a tub now or fruit it however you were planning on fruiting it.

How’s the smell? That’s a really good indicator as well.

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Re: Help a rookie out with advice [Re: Mwj12977]
    #28703231 - 03/18/24 08:51 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Goddamn it! I think you might be right - visually it isn't as fluffy as it used to be. I compressed the airy part of the bag and it smells earthy, not like mold usually does...but no visible bruising and the mycelium doesn't look too good.

I am still in denial though. What do you think will happen if I put it in the tube? Mold starting to spread?

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Re: Help a rookie out with advice [Re: Knopkey]
    #28703232 - 03/18/24 08:51 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Here's a photo of where it broke up:

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Re: Help a rookie out with advice [Re: Knopkey]
    #28703417 - 03/18/24 12:21 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Mold and bacteria will smell sweet/sour. I’m not seeing the funky yellow bruising I saw in my moldy bags so hopefully it’s just really thick myc. Either way it’s ready to fruit if it is clean. If you have other tubs going just keep it isolated and don’t mix it with other spawn. I would mix it 1:1 as to not waste substrate and you will know soon enough if it’s going to produce.



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Re: Help a rookie out with advice [Re: Mwj12977]
    #28703550 - 03/18/24 02:08 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

U
Just realized this was in my trash can that I taking to the curb. This is what mine looked like. The bag has a rubbery texture

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    #28703821 - 03/18/24 05:54 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

I am sorry to say, but that grain bag is contaminated, there are a lot of spots with bare wet grains, that is a tell tale sign of contamination.
you may get 1 flush out, but more than likely will get contamination between flush 1 and flush 2. Don't break it up anymore, you may have spread contamination around when you broke it.
I would highly suggest you fruit that out of the bag and try not to disturb it anymore then you already have.
Good luck!


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