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Psilocybin tincture * 2
    #28694676 - 03/11/24 05:33 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Has anyone had any success making a fairly stable alcohol based mushroom tincture? My latest attempt I soaked 150 grams dry and powdered in 700ml of everclear and 3oz of lemon juice, lemon juice was added for the citric acid in an attempt to preserve the main alkaloids, any thoughts? Ideas? I’m hoping to strain and then use infused liquid to soak new mushrooms to try and achieve a higher potency without reducing in my experience a lot of oxidation seems to occur during the evaporating/reducing process which I’m trying to avoid by just using more material in multiple infusions, any thoughts on this?

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993] * 1
    #28694935 - 03/11/24 12:21 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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then use infused liquid to soak new mushrooms to try and achieve a higher potency



:justno:

This is what brings unaware people to the psych ward.

Bad idea.

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Yahra]
    #28695553 - 03/11/24 07:49 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Where are you hoping to get to? Would be cool to be able to just take a little shot or few drops even. May eliminate the nausea. Definitely be careful with that stuff. I'd try to figure out mg per ml before taking any.

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993] * 1
    #28695880 - 03/12/24 12:28 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Good luck with this, please keep the forum up to date with your findings.


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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: GreenfingersUK] * 4
    #28699389 - 03/14/24 08:00 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Hey, noticed a little interest so I figured I’d post results, 400 grams of dry maztapec mushrooms grown from a cloned isolate, dried and then each 100 grams was soaked in 1200ml of 151 everclear, in Michigan they don’t sell the 190 proof, but I also added lime juice to prevent oxidation, turning blue, this worked incredibly well, I was able to apply mild heat and extract each 100 gram batch into it after straining out the proceeding batch until it was fully infused with 400 grams worth allowing each batch to soak in 115 degree everclear and lime juice, 4oz of lime juice to every 500ml of everclear seemed to completely halt all viable oxidation, no blue color at all, just a nice golden brown, myself and a friend have tested it after it was reduced down to 450ml, we each took 1.5ml and in my opinion that was a bit much, normally even using lemon tek I’d take at least 2.5 grams I’d say this 1.5ml of tincture hit much harder than that, the experience was a bit different than tripping on the strain itself, I’m guessing because it’s been concentrated down the ratio of alkaloids changed but that’s just a guess. It definitely works though and so far no hint of any oxidation or loss of potency I even left a sample sitting in the open air for 3 days now still have observed no significant change in color or potency

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993]
    #28699399 - 03/14/24 08:07 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I can’t stress enough how important the lime juice is to this process, especially if you want it to have more than a couple day long shelf life

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993]
    #28699405 - 03/14/24 08:11 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

The acidity will also make it orally active as is without needing to pass through the liver like it would need to if eaten. This gives several advantages, shorter trip, more of a kick because it all hits at once, much faster onset, and seems to cause minimal to no stomach issues.

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993] * 1
    #28699494 - 03/14/24 09:44 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

1.5ml is really small amount of liquid to take for a strong shroom trip. Sounds great! Thanks for the report.

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993]
    #28699621 - 03/15/24 01:16 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

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Hey, noticed a little interest so I figured I’d post results, 400 grams of dry maztapec mushrooms grown from a cloned isolate, dried and then each 100 grams was soaked in 1200ml of 151 everclear, in Michigan they don’t sell the 190 proof, but I also added lime juice to prevent oxidation, turning blue, this worked incredibly well, I was able to apply mild heat and extract each 100 gram batch into it after straining out the proceeding batch until it was fully infused with 400 grams worth allowing each batch to soak in 115 degree everclear and lime juice, 4oz of lime juice to every 500ml of everclear seemed to completely halt all viable oxidation, no blue color at all, just a nice golden brown, myself and a friend have tested it after it was reduced down to 450ml, we each took 1.5ml and in my opinion that was a bit much, normally even using lemon tek I’d take at least 2.5 grams I’d say this 1.5ml of tincture hit much harder than that, the experience was a bit different than tripping on the strain itself, I’m guessing because it’s been concentrated down the ratio of alkaloids changed but that’s just a guess. It definitely works though and so far no hint of any oxidation or loss of potency I even left a sample sitting in the open air for 3 days now still have observed no significant change in color or potency




Awesome my friend, when you say the trip was different, in what way? more intense, anxiety,better visuals ?

have a great weekend

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: GreenfingersUK]
    #28699984 - 03/15/24 12:46 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I’d compare the trip from the tincture more to legit lysergic acid diethylamide, lsd42, more energy, not speedy but less of a drunk/narcotic feeling that I usually associate with shrooms and more of a lucid trip less body load and more heady, in a good environment I’d say it’s probably a bit more enjoyable however under non ideal circumstances it feels like it could go bad more easily than a shroom trip, almost like you’re walking a tight rope if that makes any sense? As I said above I was reminded much more of lsd42 trips I’ve taken more visuals for certain there was still more of an organic feeling to the trip where with real lsd I find the trip takes on a more metallic and geometric approach this was very similar but  the trip felt a little less synthetic I guess but that’s not quite the right words for it that’s just the best I can describe it.

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993]
    #28699994 - 03/15/24 12:51 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Don’t know if you’ve ever tried peyote or just extracted mescaline before but that is probably the closest high to what this tincture provided, however I would add that with mescaline I find a good trip worth to be in the 350-400mg range if I extract it myself and do it well, at that dosage the only real difference I noticed between the shroom tincture and mescaline extract was a tad more potential for anxiety, it doesn’t seem to be a prerequisite of the tincture it just seems to come on a bit more easily than it would from a mescaline trip but in terms of euphoria, visuals and overall spiritual experience mescaline is nearly identical

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993]
    #28699998 - 03/15/24 12:56 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

When it was going well I’d put the euphoria on par with a good dosage of mdma, maybe even a bit beyond that there were points where the pleasurable effects were so strong they totally eclipsed the visuals and all other effects during the peaks of waves which were harder to tell apart but still present, when eating shrooms I get waves so strong that when I come out of one I almost feel sober for a moment, this did not occur on the tincture but there were still moments where one wave ended and before the next began I was able to take stock in how high I’d just been but those moments were far fewer than Id come to expect during previous trips with just eating the shrooms

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993]
    #28700001 - 03/15/24 12:59 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I highly recommend, you certainly don’t need to waste 400 grams like I used, just use the recipe I provided and scale it down according but I wouldn’t bother with less than 14-20 grams either because at least a little will be lost in the straining and extracting process and make sure not to forget the lime juice! It’s essential to maintain stability in your tincture

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993]
    #28700006 - 03/15/24 01:04 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I apologize for the extra posts, I should take more time to make sure I get everything I wanted in one post but I forgot to mention I did attempt to use lemon juice first and found the acidity of it to be insufficient to prevent oxidation; lime juice however being more acidic was successful where the lemon juice was not.

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Web1993]
    #28700036 - 03/15/24 01:32 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I've done it before with Everclear and powdered mushrooms. I just let it sit in my freezer for a few months before filtering it. Then dehydrate off however much of the liquid as you want.

I have a few tinctures from 3-4 years ago that I've stored in my freezer and I haven't noticed any loss in potency.

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Psilosion]
    #28700874 - 03/16/24 04:38 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Hey Web, so cool to finely find people interested in shroom extraction. I'm surprised how few posts there are on the subject. Where I live there is a pretty high demand for tinctures, so I've been looking deep into it for the past month.

I also use psilocybin quite a bit and am looking forward to this neat way of consuming and, maybe, making edibles, gummies, chocolate etc.

I just received my Soxhlet extractor, which should help getting the most out of my babies :smile: Planning for double extraction, ethanol then water, or maybe the other way around. Super excited, for now I'm dialing it in, looking at concentrations, evaporation etc.. My extractor is aimed at 250ml, however I intend to make much smaller strong batches so I may have to evaporate a lot of both ethanol and water. Do you know anything about that by any chance?

As for lemon... I don't think I'll use any, for the following reason. Citric acid speeds up the conversion of psilocybin to psilocin, which has a much shorter shelf life than psilocybin. So even though citric acid is an anti-oxidant, overall I think shelf life might suffer from the conversion to psilocin.

I've heard using vitamin C (ascorbic acid) instead might be a better choice. I'm planning on possibly adding some to my extraction rather than include it as a solvent. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

Here's the device in question. Idea being to let it run for around 6h, allowing for around 45 cycles. After which I'm thinking of simply switching off the coolant circulation (water tap in my case) to let it evaporate until I get the desired volume.



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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: starburstmemories]
    #28715723 - 03/26/24 11:59 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

Yes it’s in alcohol just like the MDA I got it’s there it’s good


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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: Wizard_Shames] * 2
    #28717518 - 03/28/24 12:39 PM (3 months, 4 hours ago)

I’m having doubts as to the efficiency of using pure alcohol for cubensis extraction. Most of the documentation out there mentions psilocybin to be soluble in water. As for other tryptamines, information is scarce, but it appears psilocin, baeocystin and the nors might be soluble in alcohol.

I’m running extensive tests on the following:
- Vodka, which being about 60% water 40% alcohol might be doing a dual extraction in one go.
- Ethanol 96 then water dual extraction.
- Water then ethanol 96.

I’m applying a pretty strict protocol, though not having access to hplc makes my testing protocol subjective: testing on myself. Makes the whole process pretty slow and imprecise, but that’s all I’ve got. I feel a bit like dr Jekyll :pillpopper:

I do space them out though.

So far my ethanol only extraction is by far weaker than vodka or water. And though it does have some effects I wouldn’t describe them as psychedelic. Just colour intensificatiin and relaxation so far. This could correlate the solubility points above, but still early to draw conclusions.

I’m keeping strict reports which I’m happy to share once consequent enough. These reports take into consideration context, diet and last intake.

Very curious and open to any suggestions.

Ps: I’m also looking into the delicate topic of degradation in water. Trying to keep my alcohol levels up as it may help.. Looking into freezing though I’ve also read this was bad for psilocybin. Will look into ascorbic acid. Again, any ideas very welcome!

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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: starburstmemories] * 1
    #28717657 - 03/28/24 02:37 PM (3 months, 2 hours ago)

Just so you know that if alcohol is not 200 proof ie 100%, then it has H2O in there, the azeotrope won't allow ya to distill 100%, like 96% is the highest the rest is water.
Pure alcohol has the water removed chemically, either using benzene or some drying agent.

Also, I am definitely not a chemist, but alcohol is both polar and non polar, I think. So most things that are water soluble would also be alcohol soluble, but not everything alcohol soluble is water soluble.

And I was gonna say something else I forgot


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Re: Psilocybin tincture [Re: fnulnu] * 1
    #28717822 - 03/28/24 04:44 PM (3 months, 19 minutes ago)

Yeah, the ethanol 96 I use has 4% water but I consider that negligible.

Interesting point about polarity of alcohol, I’ll look into that thanks.

In any case I was surprised to see how clear the ethanol extraction looked, barely tinted, as opposed to water. Not saying colour is a sign of potency, but still indicates a lot of stuff is not extracted by alcohol. In terms of potency though, it was minimal…

I’ll have to re test several times for meaningful results though.

In this photo the ethanol extraction is much darker than during the soxhlet cycles.. it darkens as it cools down


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