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TheSixthShroom
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The Coco Coir Order of Things
#28664114 - 02/17/24 03:47 PM (10 months, 24 days ago) |
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Hello all, A friend of mine and I have been trying to grow wavy caps. We colonized one grain bag. My friend told me, add the colonized grain with the wood lover fertilizer into the max yield bin and let it colonize further, than add the coco coir. So I went ahead and mixed the colonized grain with the wood lover fertilizer than topped it all off with coco coir, misted water heavily closed the lid and felt real proud of myself. Told my friend what I did. He said why did you add the coco coir I told you specifically to wait.
My question is, what do I do now?
I figured I have four options. Do nothing, don't do it again. Remove the coco coir. Mix the coco coir in. Create spaces where there is no coco coir, revealing what is underneath in a few sections.
I appreciate your feedback.
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TheSixthShroom said: wood lover fertilizer into the max yield bin
What are these things? All you should need to do is mix your colonized grain with wood chips and put them outside, assuming your location is appropriate.
The coir probably won't hurt anything, but is unlikely to help either. Some pics would help to understand what you're working with.
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Re: The Coco Coir Order of Things [Re: Fungus Gnat]
#28664627 - 02/17/24 08:40 PM (10 months, 24 days ago) |
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"What are these things?"
Psilocybe Cyanescens or Wavy Caps.
Read to: Colonize in grain bag Add to north spore wood chips Allow to colonize new home Add coco coir and reduce temperature Fruiting begins soon after
I'm using the max yield bin and it has a black bottom, so the only picture I would really be able to send is a container with a really humid interior. A coco coir surface layer you wouldn't be able to see.
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here you will find explicit details https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28501530
very glad you posted here before letting it run, welcome to the shroomery. when your grain jars--or bags--are fully colonized, add your coir and wood chips (for your cyans; coir for regular cubes). Make sure your coir is at field capacity so you give your mushrooms the most amount of water they can draw from. good luck.
grow kits only want your money at 10,000x markup..you gonna ask for a refund when you grow mold? their instructions are purposely half baked.
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Re: The Coco Coir Order of Things [Re: Daeda1us]
#28664644 - 02/17/24 08:58 PM (10 months, 24 days ago) |
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I was asking what the "woodlover fertilizer" and "max yield bin" was. Sounds like it's sawdust and a plastic tub, is that correct?
Few folks here have had success going that route with Psilocybe cyanescens, most go to chipped wood and make an outdoor bed. Check out the woodlover's thread, waveyedge just posted a grow with successful pinning in a custom made cold fruiting chamber.
I think your project is still salvageable as long as it's not contaminated.
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Re: The Coco Coir Order of Things [Re: Fungus Gnat]
#28666166 - 02/18/24 09:56 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Fungus Gnat said: I was asking what the "woodlover fertilizer" and "max yield bin" was.
I understand now, my mistake.
The wood fertilizer, as I put it, is a product from north spore that is saw dust advertised as useful for wood lovers. The max yield bin is a monotub sold by the same.
I will check out the post you referred to.
I will also continue with the project.
Thank you, I appreciate that you think it is salvageable.
Edited by TheSixthShroom (02/18/24 09:57 PM)
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Re: The Coco Coir Order of Things [Re: Daeda1us]
#28668824 - 02/20/24 08:28 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Daeda1us said: here you will find explicit details https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28501530
very glad you posted here before letting it run, welcome to the shroomery. when your grain jars--or bags--are fully colonized, add your coir and wood chips (for your cyans; coir for regular cubes). Make sure your coir is at field capacity so you give your mushrooms the most amount of water they can draw from. good luck.
grow kits only want your money at 10,000x markup..you gonna ask for a refund when you grow mold? their instructions are purposely half baked.
Thank you for your response. I have been reading through the post you linked. I also found the dont do section.
If I am not mistaken, you and the material are suggesting the casing layer can be put on directly and does not need to be scheduled for later.
It seems like you are also saying, 'dont follow the directions the vendors give you, follow directions for the genus/species from an impartial source' such as the shroomery.
My attention was caught, by a line I read in the donts section. Dont mist regularly.
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Re: The Coco Coir Order of Things [Re: Daeda1us]
#28668842 - 02/20/24 08:55 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Daeda1us said: when your grain jars--or bags--are fully colonized, add your coir and wood chips (for your cyans; coir for regular cubes). Make sure your coir is at field capacity so you give your mushrooms the most amount of water they can draw from. good luck.
My friend wanted to ask if you were referring to Panaeolus Cyanescens or Psilocybe Cyanescens
We are attempting Psilocybe Cyanescens.
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I can't say I've read through the hitchhiker's guide in its entirety but it's targeted towards folks growing cubensis. Most of it is still relevant until you get to the bulk stage, Psilocybe cyanescens isn't going to do anything exciting on coir and is unlikely to succeed on sawdust either.
If I were you I'd keep your current project closed up and let it colonize. While it's doing that, source some wood chips (don't stress about the tree type too much, probably avoid cedar-like trees) and pasteurize or sterilize them.
When your tub is colonized, use it to inoculate the wood chips. Continue expanding these chips to more chips, no need to sterilize from there. Then make a bed outside with those chips.
I'm not an expert and you could probably skip a few steps, but that's the general approach that people here take with good results.
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This is the cold fruiting chamber that was mentioned
Ps. Cyan and other wood lovers are cold fruiters. They mostly fruit in early spring and late fall. Some people attempt to replicate PNW spring/fall using a fridge modified to provide fresh air, cold humidity and temperatures.
It is unlikely that a mono left inside will produce anything. Putting it outside may work if it's fully colonized and ready to fruit when temps hover around 10c.
I'm working on a woodlover run in pots but am not expecting any fruits until this fall or next spring.
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trying to fruit woodlovers indoors on just sawdust is unlikely to yield much if anything.
If you use that colonized sawdust (assuming it colonizes) to inoculate wood chips like ^Fungus gnat is talking about, you could have some great spawn there in your tub to spawn outdoors.
the question is...
why do you want to fruit them indoors? are you sure?
The Official Woodlovers Thread
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Re: The Coco Coir Order of Things [Re: Generic]
#28677517 - 02/26/24 09:06 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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We live in southern California so it gets pretty warm and we dont think it is possible to grow outdoors here. Is that incorrect? Maybe we are wrong.
The fog in the bin had cleared a bit and I was able to take a couple of pictures over the course of a couple days. There has been some activity. Is this mycelium?

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Yes, that looks like mycelium. You can take the lid off to get better pics, it won't hurt it. The bright white spots look interesting/concerning, trich usually shows up like that at first. Hard to tell with the picture quality though.
SoCal is probably too warm without some luck and the right microclimates. It looks like there are people finding alenii and cyanescens near the coast in LA on iNaturalist.
Edited by Fungus Gnat (02/27/24 12:09 AM)
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Re: The Coco Coir Order of Things [Re: Fungus Gnat]
#28686658 - 03/04/24 08:02 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Checked with my buddy who said take the lid off and go for it. Gave it a bit more time too. Not at all looking good. Thought to still post for the purposes of closure, but I dont know if I am stepping out of line in terms of etiquette.
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That's pretty rough looking, but thanks for sharing! Not out of line at all, failures are just as important as successes.
If you want a better outcome try following some of the teks here and check out The Woodlovers Thread.
If you have more spores a super simple option would be the PF Tek and mixing that with woodchips once it's colonized. Then you'll need a refrigerated fruiting chamber which I can't advise on.
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Re: The Coco Coir Order of Things [Re: Fungus Gnat]
#28689257 - 03/06/24 08:03 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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This is an awesome community. Thank you for your feedback. I agree, analyzing failures hastens success, appreciate you. Going to clean the bin, for next specimen. In the mean time my buddy and I are doing well with different strains. So we will invest our time there, and when the opportunity presents itself we will revisit this effort. I am going to take notes on the posts and recommendations of this thread so that we can reference that material when we resume. Much love.
Edited by TheSixthShroom (03/06/24 08:04 PM)
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