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Circular bruising like that precedes trichoderma often, but it’s not a guarantee. To my eye as an experienced trich farmer, I think it’s a goner. BUT it may just be stressed from all the misting. I don’t think it is, but you’ll have an answer in 24 hours tops. Trich doesn’t waste time.
You shouldn’t have to mist at all, and the mycelium looks a bit like chewed gum, which is indicative of too much misting too often. Maybe too heavily. How are you misting?
If you have to spray every day, then you have too much FAE. The protocol isn’t to mist daily, but to reduce your FAE until you no longer need to. It should maintain a proper microclimate inside the tub from start to finish. The process of adjusting your tubs to achieve that goal is what we call “dialing in.” It takes a little doing, but once you learn it it will become easy. The hydration of your coir also plays a role in this. I suspect you’re giving it too much air, but it’s also possible that your coir is too dry, so at least double check that.
In short, mist less and adjust your tub more. Mycelium should be fluffier than that on the surface. Almost feathery or weblike.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dnice1]
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Nichrome said: If they're sterile, they're plenty hydrated still for mycelium to chew through.
Go for it.
Any idea why my grains moisture looks so different and non uniform?

How long has this been out of the PC, and have you given it a good jostle?
s been out of the PC about 17 hours now. I actually just shook em and knocked em up with LC. To me they still look pretty un uniform. The ones that are puffy look great and the others not so much. I tried squeezing on of the dry looking one with my fingers through the bag…. Pretty hard 😞
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In jars at least it takes 24-48 hours for moisture to redistribute and settle, so just give it time. With thr LC present now, it will probably still look a little wet regardless.
The good news is that LC absolutely chews through grain regardless of whether it was perfectly prepped or not. At least in my experience that’s what happens.
If your sterile tek is solid and everything else is above board, I bet you’re just fine
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28683849 - 03/02/24 11:47 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Are yellow metabolites at full colonisation always a sign of fighting off bacteria?
I have a few jars that look spotless apart from little balls of metabolites throughout.. the variety is PE Melmac
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stockw]
#28683854 - 03/02/24 11:52 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Always is a strong word. Usually. But if it otherwise looks good it might be ok. I see metabolites and yellowing sometimes in perfectly healthy tubs. Lot of various gels and metabs in jars. I’d proceed with caution.
How does the rest of the jar look? Pics?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28683866 - 03/02/24 12:03 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Is light a factor when growing sclerotia in jars?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28683877 - 03/02/24 12:12 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Circular bruising like that precedes trichoderma often, but it’s not a guarantee. To my eye as an experienced trich farmer, I think it’s a goner. BUT it may just be stressed from all the misting. I don’t think it is, but you’ll have an answer in 24 hours tops. Trich doesn’t waste time.
You shouldn’t have to mist at all, and the mycelium looks a bit like chewed gum, which is indicative of too much misting too often. Maybe too heavily. How are you misting?
If you have to spray every day, then you have too much FAE. The protocol isn’t to mist daily, but to reduce your FAE until you no longer need to. It should maintain a proper microclimate inside the tub from start to finish. The process of adjusting your tubs to achieve that goal is what we call “dialing in.” It takes a little doing, but once you learn it it will become easy. The hydration of your coir also plays a role in this. I suspect you’re giving it too much air, but it’s also possible that your coir is too dry, so at least double check that.
In short, mist less and adjust your tub more. Mycelium should be fluffier than that on the surface. Almost feathery or weblike.
well that would have been good to know 13 days ago... my coir was perfect and the only issue was exposed grain which, noob mistake i guess. i don't get why the info on misting i was able to gather has been so inconsistent and not very complete at all.
what would be the timeline for trich? in order to catch this in the future and gain some knowledge, i want to know when you see what in terms of trich growth. like, what are the first signs and how long it would take to trich out from there, stuff like that. honestly, i feel like it's been like that for at least 2 days now, wouldn't that mean it should have triched out by now? sorry, copium...
you've been exceedingly helpful. i really should have interacted with the community more at the beginning instead of just doing research.
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Oftentimes those blue circles are the first sign.
What you need to know about trichoderma is that it’s often a secondary infection coming in and overtaking weak mycelium. You probably had bacterial spawn from the jump, and that infection made it too weak to fight off the ever present trichoderma spores that are literally everywhere all the time.
This is all assuming it IS trich.
What was your process up to this point? What grains, what inoculant, pics of the spawn before sending to bulk, that sort of thing
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28683918 - 03/02/24 12:37 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Oftentimes those blue circles are the first sign.
What you need to know about trichoderma is that it’s often a secondary infection coming in and overtaking weak mycelium. You probably had bacterial spawn from the jump, and that infection made it too weak to fight off the ever present trichoderma spores that are literally everywhere all the time.
This is all assuming it IS trich.
What was your process up to this point? What grains, what inoculant, pics of the spawn before sending to bulk, that sort of thing
well, i'm poor so it was pretty much the standard broke boi tek with brown rice and a spore syringe directly to steam sterilized jars. surprisingly, even under sub-par conditions, they colonized just fine and looked really healthy to me i probably birthed them a little early but hey.  spawning them to bulk i used bucket tek which i guess is outdated, just boiling water in a blanketed bucket overnight.
then after spawning to bulk, i had been trying to gain a complete picture of how to keep the mycelium, which was way harder than i expected. some people said 2-3 times a day but only when you have fruits, some said mist once a day and fan as well, some said fanning was obsolete, some said close it completely after misting, a lot said MORE FAE, and to always have little droplets on the surface. in the end towards the beginning i had the lid on with a small gap after misting, and kept it wet for a few days using this method. HORRIBLE practice. then i tried giving it a good mist and leaving the lid on upside down with no horizontal gaps for a majority of the time, but after that yielded no pins at 9 days in and it started to look dry i started misting more after hearing that you need like 90% humidity to turn primordia into pins and now we're here. those bruises(?) are right where my thing was pointed, even if i didnt mist directly. basically it's been a complete disaster of inconsistent information and me worrying that there simultaniously wasnt enough mist or FAE due to what i'd been seeing around mushroom forums. very nooby.
and yeah i took a couple more pics of the corners, it definitely looks worse in pics but it doesn't look good either, especially the right one. tub still smells mushroomy fwiw.
 
i can see the metabolites so yeah i'm running out of copium.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: noobshroomer543] 1
#28683923 - 03/02/24 12:41 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Bucket tek is fine. It’s the spores to grain that got you. Those jars are bacterial.
You’re gonna want to get into agar. I suggest the link in my signature. It’s a pretty good field guide to all up to date information you’ll need.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] 1
#28683927 - 03/02/24 12:43 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Bucket tek is fine. It’s the spores to grain that got you. Those jars are bacterial.
You’re gonna want to get into agar. I suggest the link in my signature. It’s a pretty good field guide to all up to date information you’ll need.
yeah, i will. thanks. i'll be back 24h from now
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Hello folks got my first tub and i spawn to bulk 13 days ago and its growing slowly (due to cold temp i think) but its growing. But yesterday i spotted some very very small green dots and im very worried that i might be contam please have a look and tell me what you think. 
 These are two different sides of the box and i know they are hard to see and im sorry for that but i tried my best. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RasenderRon] 2
#28684002 - 03/02/24 01:32 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Yep, that's mold.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: thirdeyewild]
#28684060 - 03/02/24 02:32 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Anyone knows whats the lineage of MVP?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: n4t]
#28684078 - 03/02/24 02:51 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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n4t said: Anyone knows whats the lineage of MVP?
It's a cross between the True Albino Teacher (TAT) and the Melmac Penis Envy.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
#28684137 - 03/02/24 04:16 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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 It’s been more than a week since this was shaken. This doesn’t look right. Does anyone know what kind of contamination this is?
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Looks kinda yeasty
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28684184 - 03/02/24 04:46 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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My second random question of the day.
One of my BRF cakes got mashed up against the glass. Will my psyllium be able to pull it away from the glass or am I gonna have an issue when I try and get it out of the jar?

 Here’s a picture of the opposing side of that same jar. This is inoculated maybe four days ago. LC batch 3 works fast. But it’s having a hard time with this really dense cake part.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] 1
#28684186 - 03/02/24 04:47 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Yep, that does look like yeast. I guess that means this jar wasn’t made very well because it was sterile before it got shaken. That’s disappointing. I’ve lost a couple jars just because I don’t think I made them very well. I’m going unmodded with all my next batch.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28684207 - 03/02/24 04:58 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Oftentimes those blue circles are the first sign.
What you need to know about trichoderma is that it’s often a secondary infection coming in and overtaking weak mycelium. You probably had bacterial spawn from the jump, and that infection made it too weak to fight off the ever present trichoderma spores that are literally everywhere all the time.
This is all assuming it IS trich.
What was your process up to this point? What grains, what inoculant, pics of the spawn before sending to bulk, that sort of thing
I agree with smelly the blue circles almost invariably lead to trich. I’m 100% confident that tub is garbaggio.
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