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HunterGatherer420
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Bullshit Strain Names 2
#28682402 - 03/01/24 10:22 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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What's with all these bullshit strain names I'm seeing... Jack Frost? Jedi Mind Fuck? Starry night... gtfo... I need clarification on this as I've been out the game for 10 years... But I know in that time there's no fk way 8 to 10 different strains were discovered... I'm no newbie so come correct if you're going to defend these new strains... If you're right you're right and I'll say it... Like I said I've been out the game for a decade so haven't followed myco news... I just can't find a straight answer... And my gut is telling me this is some new age marketing fuckery...
Edited by HunterGatherer420 (03/01/24 11:00 AM)
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I believe they are crossbreeds and stabilized mutants. I think of them as bougie designer varieties.
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To many Weed growers started growing mushrooms.
Sad part is that other than looks they are all relatively the same potency and effects with few exceptions.
Edited by RockinRobot (03/01/24 11:03 AM)
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HunterGatherer420 said: some new age marketing fuckery...
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HunterGatherer420
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RockinRobot said: To many Weed growers started growing mushrooms.
Sad part is that other than looks they are all relatively the same potency and effects with few exceptions.
That's exactly what's happening... The sad part is I see this in the sponsored vendors catalogs... Which means Shroomery signed off on it for financial gain... Never would that have happened in the early 2000s... The standards on this site were 2nd to none... Again I may be missing something but I seriously doubt it... I wonder if even some of these TCs also subscribe to the bs because they acquired their knowledge after ppl actually vetted these things...
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HunterGatherer420 said:The sad part is I see this in the sponsored vendors catalogs... Which means Shroomery signed off on it for financial gain...
Ythan gotta pay for the hookers and coke somehow
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HunterGatherer420
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CaptainPuffy said: I believe they are crossbreeds and stabilized mutants. I think of them as bougie designer varieties.
So all of a sudden we've become masters at hybridization and stabilization at the shroomeey 🤣... Shit that takes decades of study and practice... Not to mention the years it could take to reach the desired generation... Now I know it's bullshit... Probably why vendors are selling slants now instead of spores... Because damn sure they aren't completely these processes to the spore producing stage...
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HunterGatherer420
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Lmao... I was actually gonna give him the 3rd degree in a reply to my welcome email lol... I almost don't care because this site needs to stay alive... But damn at what cost?.. Is it that hard to just put an asterisk with correct info in the catalogs... I'm sure ppl will still buy the novel slants but I'm not buying that these manipulative processes are being completed to the spore producing stage...
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CaptainPuffy said: I believe they are crossbreeds and stabilized mutants. I think of them as bougie designer varieties.
So all of a sudden we've become masters at hybridization and stabilization at the shroomeey 🤣... Shit that takes decades of study and practice... Not to mention the years it could take to reach the desired generation... Now I know it's bullshit... Probably why vendors are selling slants now instead of spores... Because damn sure they aren't completely these processes to the spore producing stage...
Actually yes, we have become masters at crossing strains. Did you stop in to just talk shit or what ?
Seriously though, read Faht's easy strain crossing thread. It was based off Justin's hybridization technique. It has gotten easier with modern techniques. Easier than breeding dogs...
As to all the strains, I don't know what to tell you. Dog breeders do the same shit. They're all dogs sure. But they do express different phenotypes and different temperaments. And I see a lot of new strains come off of these boards because people are just curious what APE + Whatever might look like if you dump them in a jar together and get them to fuck.
Non-sporulating mutants are shared in cultures. I think it's a little sketch but with things becoming legal in some states, it seems like it's flying under the radar anyway.
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I understand your confusion. Thing have advanced tremendously over the last 10 years. Lots of different vendors selectively breeding and stabilizing specific traits over the years. If I did that and came up with a great culture I’d want to put my stamp on it as well. Especially if it’s stronger and more uniformed than its parent.
In today’s market you can literally buy an isolated Lc from a vendor for $20-40 and get the exact results every time without all of the trial and error. Over the last 20 years actual mycologists (that study them for a living) are finding all sorts of different alkaloids in different cubes. All cubes but not all the same. If you isolate and focus on the specific alkaloids you’re eventually going to come up with something that’s not just”a cube”. For instance PE and APE have been researched for the last 46 years. Now if you’re a vendor selling syringes and there are 50 other vendors selling the same shit for the same price then you’re going to need a niche to make money. So you isolate specific traits over a few years of research, slap a name on it and then it’s not just the same PE that everyone else is pushing.
In the early 2000’s there were a bunch of “old school” cultivators butt hurt with advancement's saying the same thing you are in 2024 when they would stumble on a vendor with 30 different names for their cube syringes. Z strain, hairy buffalos, pink buffalo, b+, b-, the list can go on and on.
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HunterGatherer420 said:
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CaptainPuffy said: I believe they are crossbreeds and stabilized mutants. I think of them as bougie designer varieties.
So all of a sudden we've become masters at hybridization and stabilization at the shroomeey 🤣... Shit that takes decades of study and practice... Not to mention the years it could take to reach the desired generation... Now I know it's bullshit... Probably why vendors are selling slants now instead of spores... Because damn sure they aren't completely these processes to the spore producing stage...
Actually yes, we have become masters at crossing strains. Did you stop in to just talk shit or what ?
Seriously though, read Faht's easy strain crossing thread. It was based off Justin's hybridization technique. It has gotten easier with modern techniques. Easier than breeding dogs...
As to all the strains, I don't know what to tell you. Dog breeders do the same shit. They're all dogs sure. But they do express different phenotypes and different temperaments. And I see a lot of new strains come off of these boards because people are just curious what APE + Whatever might look like if you dump them in a jar together and get them to fuck.
Non-sporulating mutants are shared in cultures. I think it's a little sketch but with things becoming legal in some states, it seems like it's flying under the radar anyway.
I did actually 🤣... And to see what yall have done with the place... Faht was a newb when I quit the site to protect myself... Now here he is pioneering... I haven't delved too far into it all yet so I'm still skeptical 🤣... Fusing Dikaryons in fucking jars and tubs?... And even if so... Wasn't hybridization already given up because of its overwhelming tendency to have recessive traits?.. Basically like a waste of time?..
Idk... I dont like it 🤣...
Edited by HunterGatherer420 (03/01/24 01:52 PM)
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I used to make cocktails from dried cubes but that was as far as I got. If the whole process of mixing strains works and the trips end up phenomenal I'm all for it. But if it's just an aesthetics thing as in mutants blobs pretty colors it's kind of pointless to me.
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Re: StrainNames [Re: Frank969]
#28682671 - 03/01/24 02:22 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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7even said: I used to make cocktails from dried cubes but that was as far as I got. If the whole process of mixing strains works and the trips end up phenomenal I'm all for it. But if it's just an aesthetics thing as in mutants blobs pretty colors it's kind of pointless to me.
This is the entire reason behind the saying "A Cube is a Cube" There a re some that have more potency and some that get big or look pretty, but they all still cubes.
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Welcome back! A lot has been learned in the last 10 years you should catch up on.
Yeah they’re all just cube phenos. It’s just a fun thing, not to be take too seriously. Rub some spores together with us.
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The same shit is happening in the weed-growing world, and I don't think it's realistic to expect sites like this one to police their sponsors down to that level. I don't have any personal interest in Starry Night, nor do I believe that the rotating word salad of weed strain names that I've seen over the past few years represents a whole new wave of stabilized hybrids. So I don't spend money buying any of those genetics. Actually, who am I kidding? I don't spend any money on genetics. Or anything else from Shroomery sponsors. I pretty much just come here to eavesdrop and occasionally run my mouth. I don't think this place gets enough credit for being so tolerant of posters who contribute jack shit in financial terms, and still go on to talk shit about sponsors.
More and more people are getting into this stuff every day. Most are poorly educated. You can talk shit about imaginary corruption, or you can join the effort to cut through some of the fog.
But really, you know, a lot of people just like to geek out on phenotypes. Not my thing, but there's nothing wrong with it.
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Re: StrainNames [Re: B Traven]
#28683148 - 03/01/24 08:39 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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I agree with B Traven. I don't like sponsors in general, but there is no need to accuse this place for trying to make some cash, and/or support it's operation. This is a wonderful place, full of people willing to help, full of people that do not judge, even when I deserved to be judged, to be frank. So, am I going to complain about...the sponsors? No way mate, I am not complaining about something like that, I am not so ungrateful anyway.
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Re: StrainNames [Re: Skropi] 2
#28683168 - 03/01/24 09:01 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Hey now, I wasn’t a noob in 2014
Nice to see ya back! Crossing (for me at least) is just fun. Every grow is exciting because you never know what’s gonna pop up. Honestly, I probably would’ve lost most of my interest by now if I didn’t start were crossing… it made cubes fun again.
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Re: StrainNames [Re: fahtster] 2
#28683185 - 03/01/24 09:18 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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I second that, if it wasn’t for crossing and seeing all the new phenotypes coming up I definitely wouldn’t be in here as much, and when you cross something, how else do you name it? I’ve currently got 4 completely different phenotypes going from a Jack Frost x PE, do I just name them JF x PE #1 and #2 etc? Or do I give them a name that you can identify from its phenotype or parent varieties? I need to label it as something, otherwise I wouldn’t give a shit and every plate would just be labeled “cube”. I fuckin love all the new varieties and crosses out there, apart from vendors scamming people I really don’t understand what there is to get mad about or look down on
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