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Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB?
    #28678705 - 02/27/24 06:12 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

I know many suggest using a towel soaked in disinfectant to catch contaminates, so wondering if a shallow pool would do this as well to better (or worse, or the same) effect? Is it just overkill?

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Matthew_11]
    #28678709 - 02/27/24 06:16 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

No, SABs operate by settling particles by eliminating air currents.


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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28678721 - 02/27/24 06:24 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

Aren't your arms moving around going to cause slight air movement? I thought that was the idea behind a wet bottom, to add redundancy(?) Does it not help at all for trapping contaminates compared to if it's completely dry?

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28678726 - 02/27/24 06:26 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

I run a tent and disinfect with 10% bleach often I also have a tub underneath to catch all the excess water dripping from the tent and that gets slimy. I normally fill that with a 10% bleach solution also

I haven’t noticed any detrimental effects to the mushrooms yet

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Matthew_11]
    #28678747 - 02/27/24 06:32 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

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Aren't your arms moving around going to cause slight air movement? I thought that was the idea behind a wet bottom, to add redundancy(?) Does it not help at all for trapping contaminates compared to if it's completely dry?




I can tell you haven't watched the video. All of this is covered in detail.

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28678864 - 02/27/24 07:54 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

Basically it just seems to say if you do everything right, you don't need anything extra, which doesn't quite cover it (let alone in detail). If introducing a wet towel or pool literally right before doing your work, the last couple minutes seems relevant to that as you're disturbing the air. But I'm asking about if you introduce those things hours beforehand and then allow the air to settle as normal (so it shouldn't be an issue, ya?), and so does a wet surface make it more difficult for contaminates at the bottom to be flung up? For an experienced mycologist, the viewpoint that it's completely unnecessary makes sense. For a person using a cheap SAB for the first though...They don't specifically address this as being counterproductive or an unhelpful redundancy.

Based on what a lot of other people on the forum say about the towel method, it does seem to trap contaminates to a degree, leading to my original question of whether a towel or a pool would trap them better.

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Matthew_11] * 1
    #28678875 - 02/27/24 08:04 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

Don't use bleach puddles. If you want to run a "wet" SAB, the standard was soapy water sprayed on the floor to catch particles. The soap has the added benefit of destroying cell walls of microbes like vegetative bacteria.

Make sure to elevate your work.

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 2
    #28678896 - 02/27/24 08:18 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

Ah okay, that will probably be better on my nose. But what if I mixed soap, bleach and ammonia for the ultimate disinfectant?!🤯 I jest

Much obliged for the responses.

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Matthew_11]
    #28678917 - 02/27/24 08:32 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

I ment bleach only for my purposes to explain how I haven’t seen any detrimental growth from it yet
If you are just working with a still airbox, soapy water doesn’t really kill anything. It just grabs onto stuff floating around in the air and that is what you want.

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: 99.99]
    #28678927 - 02/27/24 08:40 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)



This is what happens when soap comes into contact with microorganisms, even in a SAB. It's not the primary function of soapy water, just an interesting aside, there's no need to attempt to sanitize the interior of your SAB.

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28678946 - 02/27/24 08:58 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

You are right i ment airborn stuff, but yeah soap is a fantastic cleanser

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28678957 - 02/27/24 09:08 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

I appreciate the video. Do you happen to have/know about one with a standard tote-style SAB? I understand that you said the principals are the same, but I'd like to compare techniques with something a little more similar to what I'm working with.

I travel for work a week or more at a time and often only have 36 hours off before I go back to work. This means I'm doing 10+ jars at a time rather quickly. I do allow my SAB to settle, but I don't have time to give it hours. For example, I did 31 jars this weekend because I ended up with 3 days in a row off.


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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
    #28678958 - 02/27/24 09:10 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

It's exactly the same principles, but with  less settling time, 60 mins.

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Matthew_11] * 2
    #28678963 - 02/27/24 09:13 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

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Ah okay, that will probably be better on my nose. But what if I mixed soap, bleach and ammonia for the ultimate disinfectant?!🤯 I jest

Much obliged for the responses.




Ammonia and bleach makes toxic chloramine vapors. DO NOT MIX THOSE

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #28678977 - 02/27/24 09:26 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

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Matthew_11 said:
Ah okay, that will probably be better on my nose. But what if I mixed soap, bleach and ammonia for the ultimate disinfectant?!🤯 I jest

Much obliged for the responses.




Ammonia and bleach makes toxic chloramine vapors. DO NOT MIX THOSE




I can remember once my mom did this …ambulance came to the house and everything

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 1
    #28680391 - 02/28/24 09:13 PM (10 months, 13 days ago)

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Ah okay, that will probably be better on my nose. But what if I mixed soap, bleach and ammonia for the ultimate disinfectant?!🤯 I jest

Much obliged for the responses.




Ammonia and bleach makes toxic chloramine vapors. DO NOT MIX THOSE




Also don't mix bleach with dish soap, or bleach with vinegar, similar problems, creates toxic gasses. Basically don't mix your household cleaning chemicals, particularly bleach, with anything else. It can cause really fast extremely dangerous reactions. I'm not growing yet (working on it) but this is useful life knowledge even outside of growing. Don't do it.

Each thing is sufficient for doing the job that it does. Bleach is a caustic base which quickly disinfects (about 30 seconds of contact using just a 10% solution), but is not very good for cleaning away oil or grime, it's pretty much best for disinfecting. Dish soap is a surfactant and detergent which distupts surface tension, which helps it break up oils and scrub away particles (but doesn't necessarily disinfect or sanitize on its own, which is why food service uses detergent AND sanitizer in a 3-compartment sink). Ammonia is also not very good for sanitizing or disinfecting, but is excellent at cleaning away oils and evaporates quickly, unlike detergents, which is why it's so good for cleaning shiny surfaces like glass. Vinegar is a strong acid which helps break up certain minerals, which is why it's great for cleaning out the coffee machine or descaling metallic surfaces. None of them really needs to be mixed with anything else to work effectively enough for most people's needs.

From what I'm gathering from my time here, dish water is optimal for the SAB because it doesn't evaporate very quickly, unlike ammonia, and won't necessarily destroy your fungi upon accidental contact, like bleach will (again, bleach will destroy contaminants, but will also destroy the microbes you WANT to grow). So it can keep things wet enough to grab onto the particulate in the SAB without being a huge hazard to the stuff you're trying to protect either. :shrug:

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: EricEricson]
    #28680395 - 02/28/24 09:17 PM (10 months, 13 days ago)

Dish soap in water, in a spray bottle.

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: EricEricson] * 1
    #28680397 - 02/28/24 09:18 PM (10 months, 13 days ago)

What year is this?


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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28680399 - 02/28/24 09:19 PM (10 months, 13 days ago)

:rofl:

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Re: Would it be a bad idea to use a bleach water pool at the bottom of SAB? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28680406 - 02/28/24 09:29 PM (10 months, 13 days ago)

A nice Soapy towel is the best you can put in a sub to help keep contamination down

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