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Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried...
#28678631 - 02/27/24 05:28 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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So on my drive this morning I'm listening to a podcast with Paul Stamets...
He got me a bit worried. He was mentioning that a lot of times people get sick from mushrooms because of the environmental toxins, not because of what they naturally contain.
I'm thinking shit...maybe it's a good thing that my first jar of grains stalled out. I don't want to be getting sick or ingesting heavy metals and toxins any more than we already do as humans. I got a 50lb bag of oats from a feed store and I'm worried about how clean these are.
Obviously, these oats will go through a sterilization process but I'm not too sure how well this removes the toxins and Stamets claims that mushrooms do an incredible job at absorbing things.
I'm wondering if I should ditch the oats and try to find a safer option?
I know some people use organic rye berries, maybe this would have been a wiser choice. I'd love to hear a few opinions on this.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: riseupandfight]
#28678641 - 02/27/24 05:34 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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I’m pretty sure your oats are fine, not sure where they’re sourced but most farms have fairly rigorous testing for toxin levels, maybe he was talking about wild mushrooms? Idk, I stopped listening to anything that guy said pretty much as soon as I heard him speak. Can’t imagine you’d get toxins through the products used in cultivation unless you put them there yourself or were extremely unlucky.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: 3.A.M]
#28678646 - 02/27/24 05:39 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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Haha not a fan of Paul I guess...I'm just a bit worried about the pesticides/fungicides, and whatever else they spray grains with. Keep in mind this is to be used as animal feed, and not for the cultivation of edible mushrooms.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: riseupandfight]
#28678679 - 02/27/24 05:58 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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He sells his own products I’m sure whatever he said was probably leading to “that’s why i recommend this product”
Anything you buy from a store should be free of lead and fungicides. Nothing to worry about.
Just out of curiosity was this an old video?
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: Mwj12977]
#28678704 - 02/27/24 06:12 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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I didn't get that impression at all from the dude. He seems like he really does care about humanity and is a big advocate for using science and mycology to help plants, animals, and humans survive and thrive. He was talking about combining 10mg psilocybin, 50mg niacin, and up to 500mg lions mane to help treat alzheimers, neuropathy and other conditions. It was pretty fascinating listening to him.
I'm not sure I believe it was December of last year or the year prior.
I don't know how true that statement is about everything you buy in a store being nothing to worry about. Maybe it is tested for lead and heavy metals, I'm not really sure, but think about the oat meal we buy, that shit is sprayed with glyphosate.
Not trying to start an argument here, I just want a clean end result without toxins.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: riseupandfight]
#28678874 - 02/27/24 08:04 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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almost certain he's referring to wild mushrooms. when applying pesticides and herbicides to plants, it also taints the soil. this is why you shouldn't eat edibles you find growing on a lawn in the city.
does this have an impact on our grains we use? no clue. how can you ensure it's a clean end result? send it to a lab or do an acid/base extraction. i recommend neither.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: Daeda1us]
#28678924 - 02/27/24 08:37 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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Maybe I'm overextending my anal chakra but I think I'm going to order food grade organic rye grain to be safe. I'd hate to give out medicine that has a risk of being toxic. I found a 25 lb bag for $47. Yeah it's a bit expensive compared to the oat, but it's not too bad.
***For anyone who's curious this podcast can be found on spotify: Paul Stamets: The Transformative Power of Mushrooms on The Zero Hour podcast. I actually may have misunderstood the point he was making. If you play starting at 39:15, he's actually referring to the issue of people drying out rotting mushrooms without realizing it and causing people to ingest endotoxins.
Edited by riseupandfight (02/27/24 08:47 PM)
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: riseupandfight]
#28678942 - 02/27/24 08:53 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: riseupandfight] 1
#28678991 - 02/27/24 09:56 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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Those grains also have to be safe for human consumption as there’s a good chance they’ll be going to consumable livestock such as pigs and cows, even chickens which will show up in the meat people eat, also those animals would get sick if there were toxins present, I can guarantee you’re taking this out of context and being overly paranoid, stamets has an altruistic facade but that dude is all about making money.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: 3.A.M] 1
#28679010 - 02/27/24 10:38 PM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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The food you eat daily has more toxins and microplastics than any amount of mushrooms you'll grow.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: DERRAYLD] 3
#28679083 - 02/28/24 12:20 AM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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MFers always worried about the most inane and random shit I swear to god
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: riseupandfight] 2
#28679128 - 02/28/24 02:41 AM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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Quote:
riseupandfight said: I didn't get that impression at all from the dude.
Marketing is a fascinating science.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: stubb] 1
#28679130 - 02/28/24 02:49 AM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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Overextended his anal chakra indeed.
That would be called a prolapse anal Chakra, I'd see a doctor for that.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: riseupandfight] 1
#28679262 - 02/28/24 07:46 AM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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For homegrown actives, the only thing I think most people should be a little aware of, is how safe the water is that they're using.
For example, some people have trace amounts of lead in their pipes. Mushrooms are 90% water. And they will certainly concentrate lead into the fruits if it's present in your water supply.
Coco coir and vermiculite are both food safe horticulture products. As are any grains you're likely using. If you're concerned about glyphosate or other forever chemicals that were used to grow your grains, buy some organic rye berries, and use those.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: tree frog] 1
#28679295 - 02/28/24 08:16 AM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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Well if you got lead in your pipes …you’re already bathing, drinking, and using it everyday in your life. What’s a little more?
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: Screwup]
#28679307 - 02/28/24 08:27 AM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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You could always use brown rice if you're that worried. Then again everything is tainted these days, so just use what works for you and keep on growing.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: Screwup]
#28679313 - 02/28/24 08:31 AM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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Quote:
Screwup said: Well if you got lead in your pipes …you’re already bathing, drinking, and using it everyday in your life. What’s a little more?
We have a water filter for our drinking water.
For mushroom grows I often end up using rainwater or buying a jug of water. Because it's a pain in the ass to run that much water through the drinking filter.
Also I sell edibles. So I don't want to be poisoning my customers.
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: tree frog]
#28688936 - 03/06/24 04:03 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
tree frog said:
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Screwup said: Well if you got lead in your pipes …you’re already bathing, drinking, and using it everyday in your life. What’s a little more?
We have a water filter for our drinking water.
For mushroom grows I often end up using rainwater or buying a jug of water. Because it's a pain in the ass to run that much water through the drinking filter.
Also I sell edibles. So I don't want to be poisoning my customers.
What do you got a reverse osmosis system? that's alot of waste water especially if your doing a good bit of blocks. But the jugs of water can't help either more costs and more waste. Luckily I have a deep well and reverse osmosis system but for gourmets and medicinals I just use the well water.
I just did the math I would have bought 83 gallon jugs so however much that is lol I do a batch like this every week so end of the month 332
Edited by mycoheadonaut (03/06/24 04:10 PM)
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Re: Toxins in substrates? Paul Stamets got me worried... [Re: mycoheadonaut]
#28689537 - 03/07/24 04:33 AM (10 months, 5 days ago) |
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I have five gallon jugs I refill for like $5. Each full jug makes 16 blocks.
And that's only when the rain barrels are empty.
It's a hassle though. Getting it fixed soon is a goal, especially as I found a business partner and plan to really grow the edible business a lot this year.
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