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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #28667827 - 02/20/24 08:09 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Bradbury began that book in '46, published in 2000 which makes it almost a 'first shall be last'.

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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28667914 - 02/20/24 09:17 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Haven't had the opportunity to fully read his life work yet,
from that few pages shared, beautifully summarizes the mind states. :heart:.

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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: Lithop] * 2
    #28668691 - 02/20/24 06:46 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Thanks for the write up, Lithop. Letting it soak a bit, I found myself wondering of the connection of Jungian language and the older writings. Just thinking outloud,
"Every separate thought takes shape and becomes visible in colour and form. The total spiritual power unfolds its traces...",
putting this together with the idea of meeting the unconcious.

By the way, I have often wondered why my practices tend to go to void as it were, shutting down even visionary aspects when I didn't think it was particularly my intention. "So we can understand why the figure of the protecting circle was seized upon. It is intended to prevent the 'outflowing' and to protect the unity of consciousness from being burst asunder by the unconscious."

It shed light on the question, to consider the effect of sadhana's purpose, the purification of the elements, and protective circle!

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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28669132 - 02/21/24 04:15 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

"Every separate thought takes shape and becomes visible in colour and form. The total spiritual power unfolds its traces..."

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“‘Where am I?’ I thought, and no sooner had the idea entered my mind, if indeed one
can use the word, than the ‘Shining One’ seemed to answer.
“‘You are in the land of After-Death. Are you surprised that there are trees and
animals here, and even grass? Know that here comes every thought which you have ever
thought; soon also you shall know that is so, to your sorrow; and, further, here come also
the spiritual forms of all that ever lived. Thus is our Spirit World built up and thus it
constantly increases. All that lives, no matter how humble it be, comes here of itself. All
thoughts come here. Hence you recognize many beauty spots you knew on earth. Hence
also the palm and the oak, and the orchid which you never saw.


Gone West

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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28669140 - 02/21/24 04:28 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

A Course in Miracles speaks a lot of 'our creations' waiting for us, leaving the reader in somewhat of a mystery as to what they are. It has become more clear in the implication. We are Ideas, as are our creations. "Treasures in Heaven." Thought here in the body is SO underrated.

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    #28669150 - 02/21/24 04:55 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

So an idea is used to shut down the power of ideas, yet, then, the material realm is none other, perhaps implied as a shadow of a shadow of the astral. "You cannot be harmed."

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    #28669347 - 02/21/24 08:40 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Course in Miracles speaks a lot of 'our creations' waiting for us..




I get reflections that seem to imply the lyric "she's going to get you from behind" or maybe that's just a paranoid reflection from my shadow conscience.

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    #28669369 - 02/21/24 08:49 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I've had nothing, but bad luck
Since the day I saw the cat at my door
So I came into you sweet lady
Answering your mystical call
… Crystal ball on the table
Showing the future, the past
Same cat with them evil eyes
And I knew it was a spell she cast
… She's just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She's gonna get you
… She's just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She's gonna get you from behind
… Give me the ring on your finger
Let me see the lines on your hand
I can see me a tall dark stranger
Giving you what you hadn't planned
… I drank the potion she offered me
I found myself on the floor
Then I looked in those big green eyes
And I wondered what I'd came there for
… She's just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She's gonna get you
… She's just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She's gonna get you from behind
… Stay away, look out
… If you're out on a moonlit night
Be careful of them neighborhood strays
Of a lady with long black hair
Tryin' to win you with her feminine ways
… Crystal ball on the table
Showing the future, the past
Same cat with them evil eyes
You'd better get out of there fast
… She's just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She's gonna get you
… She's just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She's gonna get you
She's just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She's gonna get you
She's just a devil woman
With evil on her mind
Beware the devil woman
She's gonna get you

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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28669426 - 02/21/24 09:20 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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syncro said:
Thanks for the write up, Lithop. Letting it soak a bit, I found myself wondering of the connection of Jungian language and the older writings.




:thumbup:
Do you mean you wonder about the style of presentation IE the translation? Or that the ideas seem to stack so closely?
About the latter, as the story goes, when presented by Richard Wilhelm with an old Chinese alchemical text 'Secret of the Golden Flower' Jung couldn't believe that these ideas about alchemy from the East seemed to speak closer to his own ideas & the progression of them, than anything else he had encountered up to that point.
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syncro said:
Just thinking outloud,
"Every separate thought takes shape and becomes visible in colour and form. The total spiritual power unfolds its traces...",
putting this together with the idea of meeting the unconcious.




When writing up my recent Lib trip I said "The vibe of being in a foundary of the imagination." I think meeting the unconscious and being lucid enough in a sense, would come about with that sort of feeling. A thoughtform factory, chaotic and full of potential, disorienting, intriguing- tapping into something that increasingly defies definition, also playing into the conjuration of weirdness in the bardo states.

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By the way, I have often wondered why my practices tend to go to void as it were, shutting down even visionary aspects when I didn't think it was particularly my intention. "So we can understand why the figure of the protecting circle was seized upon. It is intended to prevent the 'outflowing' and to protect the unity of consciousness from being burst asunder by the unconscious."

It shed light on the question, to consider the effect of sadhana'a purpose, the purification of the elements, and protective circle!



:awesomenod:
Very interesting, eh?
What do you mean by:
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I have often wondered why my practices tend to go to void as it were, shutting down even visionary aspects when I didn't think it was particularly my intention.



I think I get you but would like to know from you.

IF it's as I think and you're implying a sort of protective or preventative agent at play when fooling around in parts unknown, then it makes me wonder at some sort of a flexible stepwise system- cause for purification - that allows the void/ numinous esscence to be perceived in more or less explicit modes to us dependant of our suitability for it at that particular moment.
The conditions/ parameters of our suitabilitty being all but incomprehensible to anyone at any given time, leading in part to misattributions of faith, superstition. Attempts to really finetune the identification process of favourable conditions- astrology, divination, tables of correlation and their relevant ceremonial objects & time frames. During certain purification though, perhaps the aspects of self our POV finds so grounding can diffused & thrashed beyond panic so, historically, people have tried to develop some methods to keep their shit together-so to speak.
At the least in attempt to keep some sort of handle on proceedings, psychologically. At the most to prevent deep psychic disruption, parasitic attachments, ending up somewhere you don't want to in the non physical, unexpected weak spots developing in the psyche and so on. Prayers of protection, wards, positive self affirmation, cleansing.
In terms of the "outflowing" I think that when it comes about in a way that's unexpected, unprompted or introduces an excess of the unmanagable to the essential functioning of the person, then it can become manifest in the ways we know as psychosis.
But DAMN if I don't love getting "burst asunder by the unconscious" preferably on a beanbag w/ some weed at hand.
:trippinbawelz:
There are similarities in the middle pillar ritual, enacted with view of (for lack of better terms) putting protection up around the aura or subtle field. Having drawn & expelled 'energy' into the various 'meridians' (each having vast symbolic, mental, emotional, spiritual, physical, correlation & connotation that is focused on, considered, felt intensely, embodied throughout) the practitioner is to imagine using these invoked energies visualized as wrapping the space around their subtle body in every direction.

You might find it cool that some consider the Jacob & Joseph coat story as an allegory for the attainment of knowledge on this type of astral protection, the coat being metaphor for 'melum' or spiritual armour.
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syncro said:“‘Where am I?’ I thought, and no sooner had the idea entered my mind, if indeed one can use the word, than the ‘Shining One’ seemed to answer.
“‘You are in the land of After-Death. Are you surprised that there are trees and animals here, and even grass? Know that here comes every thought which you have ever thought; soon also you shall know that is so, to your sorrow; and, further, here come also the spiritual forms of all that ever lived. Thus is our Spirit World built up and thus it constantly increases. All that lives, no matter how humble it be, comes here of itself. All thoughts come here. Hence you recognize many beauty spots you knew on earth. Hence
also the palm and the oak, and the orchid which you never saw.
Gone West



Nice excerpt. Some cosmic folder containing all the assets for life, replicated psychic imprints ready to be conjured at will.
I imagine it all smoky, like when Eleven is remote viewing in Stranger Things.
:feelstrippyman:
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A Course in Miracles speaks a lot of 'our creations' waiting for us, leaving the reader in somewhat of a mystery as to what they are. It has become more clear in the implication. We are Ideas, as are our creations. "Treasures in Heaven." Thought here in the body is SO underrated.



:awesomenod:
What form, do you reckon this treasure takes?
Is our creation waiting for us some final extra shiny illusion we are presented with whose quality is proportional to how 'good' we done on this playthrough, like a karmic christmas present? Going through a whole incarnation and you get like, some astral fidget spinner to fuck about with until you (again?) get bored of its ceaseless perfection, and ultimately, accidently reincarnate by being led astray & into the astral field of some copulating couple by ever tricksy illusions.
:lol:
:badtrip:
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syncro said:So an idea is used to shut down the power of ideas, yet, then, the material realm is none other, perhaps implied as a shadow of a shadow of the astral. "You cannot be harmed."



Heard the view from Damien Echols; that each subsequent 'layer' out from the physical realm, still contains the 'imprints' of the physical realm and vice versa, just increasingly subtle when compared to their original form/conception.
So despite the 'solid' table being the most tangible & tabley to us- isn't the concept more powerful since it represents all tables, table based associations and jobs done by tables? EG symbolism over form.
In that sense, the power of thought is so potent that we need to go through extensive training (preferably in a repeatable format where action, not thought is where the buck stops as the primary medium for enacting change?) before we are entrusted to use it to its fullest potential.
Worth noting that I get the feeling subtle is in reference to our position as humans and as such doesn't = weaker or lesser outside of the physical confines of the material realm.
Also just thinking out loud.
:lol:

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I get reflections that seem to imply the lyric "she's going to get you from behind" or maybe that's just a paranoid reflection from my shadow conscience.



Man, all these reflections going around, and you're still managing to get got from behind?
:confused2:
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28669495 - 02/21/24 10:18 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Buster :lol:

reminds of old days, Born Under a Bad Sign tune

I think it's gradual confidence in the Self, "The joy of the Lord is my strength." kind of thing. Bad stuff is not meant for you by God or Dharma. Doesn't last if we get it, sooner or later.

For everyone a chariot, like the Avalokiteshvara mantra you were transmitting to the masses.

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    #28669517 - 02/21/24 10:27 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Lithop said:
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syncro said:
Thanks for the write up, Lithop. Letting it soak a bit, I found myself wondering of the connection of Jungian language and the older writings.




:thumbup:
Do you mean you wonder about the style of presentation IE the translation? Or that the ideas seem to stack so closely?
About the latter, as the story goes, when presented by Richard Wilhelm with an old Chinese alchemical text 'Secret of the Golden Flower' Jung couldn't believe that these ideas about alchemy from the East seemed to speak closer to his own ideas & the progression of them, than anything else he had encountered up to that point.





I'm just pretty ignorant of Jung and want to check out Psychology in the East, etc. I'm supposed to be working. :smile: Will bbl.

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    #28669536 - 02/21/24 10:39 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I'm just pretty ignorant of Jung and want to check out Psychology in the East, etc.



Ah right, me too! Had no idea so many of the ideas proposed by people that I feel like "get it" were Jungian.

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I'm supposed to be working. :smile: Will bbl.




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    #28669940 - 02/21/24 03:47 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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What do you mean by:
   
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    I have often wondered why my practices tend to go to void as it were, shutting down even visionary aspects when I didn't think it was particularly my intention.



I think I get you but would like to know from you.




I didn't say that very well. In recent years my concentration (japa) has tended to go to void experience, and when that integrates, I consider it a peak type. I have posted a couple of times on the black essence. I was experiencing this and after the fact a friend who was involved with that (Ridhwan) school, said, "oh, you must be experiencing the black essence", and I was intrigued with the confirmation.

More recently it can feel like my visual cortex is going completely dormant, perhaps which happens in deep sleep. ? It frees up energy and can show the senses are energy intensive, kind of like noticing more clearly you've been tensed up when you've relaxed that part.

But yes, either concentration itself can tend to do these things, or more particularly the sadhana process and influence is directing it.

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syncro said:
A Course in Miracles speaks a lot of 'our creations' waiting for us, leaving the reader in somewhat of a mystery as to what they are. It has become more clear in the implication. We are Ideas, as are our creations. "Treasures in Heaven." Thought here in the body is SO underrated.



:awesomenod:
What form, do you reckon this treasure takes?
Is our creation waiting for us some final extra shiny illusion we are presented with whose quality is proportional to how 'good' we done on this playthrough, like a karmic christmas present? Going through a whole incarnation and you get like, some astral fidget spinner to fuck about with until you (again?) get bored of its ceaseless perfection, and ultimately, accidently reincarnate by being led astray & into the astral field of some copulating couple by ever tricksy illusions.
:lol:




Yes, there is unmanifest and manifest which I consider prana, light form, could be astral or beyond in the spirit.

Treasures particularly from thought forms such as mantra, the liberating (taraka) ones lead to pure awareness, but in the mean time in the prana, heavenly, powerful, whatever you want in addition (my opinion/conjecture), or implied in Acim, they, our creations, are of God as we are, so perhaps beyond speculation, but I think sublimities and such in the visionary may be a good indication.

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syncro said:So an idea is used to shut down the power of ideas, yet, then, the material realm is none other, perhaps implied as a shadow of a shadow of the astral. "You cannot be harmed."



Heard the view from Damien Echols; that each subsequent 'layer' out from the physical realm, still contains the 'imprints' of the physical realm and vice versa, just increasingly subtle when compared to their original form/conception.
So despite the 'solid' table being the most tangible & tabley to us- isn't the concept more powerful since it represents all tables, table based associations and jobs done by tables? EG symbolism over form.
In that sense, the power of thought is so potent that we need to go through extensive training preferably in a repeatable format where action, not thought is where the buck stops as the primary medium for enacting change?[/url]) before we are entrusted to use it to its fullest potential.
Worth noting that I get the feeling subtle is in reference to our position as humans and as such doesn't = weaker or lesser outside of the physical confines of the material realm.
Also just thinking out loud.
:lol:




Difficult to say, but I think it is about trustworthiness.

I think of subtle as refined, like the light/thought form of the table, and generally I think of it as higher in the creative hierarchy, but it is confusing because the table is from earth, a tree, no doubt with its astral counterpart. Which is the cause and the effect? I have thought the physical is the effect of the effect, like shadows, or reduced dimensional projections.

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    #28670780 - 02/22/24 03:17 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

It reminded of Vasistha musing there is no cause for the physical manifestation; mind reflects thought, and the solidity is as coincidence, like the crow alighting on a tree branch, and the coconut falling, implying the former did not cause the effect.

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    #28671699 - 02/22/24 04:55 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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I didn't say that very well. In recent years my concentration (japa) has tended to go to void experience, and when that integrates, I consider it a peak type. I have posted a couple of times on the black essence. I was experiencing this and after the fact a friend who was involved with that (Ridhwan) school, said, "oh, you must be experiencing the black essence", and I was intrigued with the confirmation.



:yesnod:
Now I'm following mate.
Mantra can be wild, never would have thought it.
Havent' heard the term 'black essence' but the description certainly rings a bell.
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More recently it can feel like my visual cortex is going completely dormant, perhaps which happens in deep sleep. ? It frees up energy and can show the senses are energy intensive, kind of like noticing more clearly you've been tensed up when you've relaxed that part.



:levitate:
Well described, can relate. Also related to your friend pointing you toward an explaination of the black essence after your experience- it's so interesting to be able to note this sort of stuff going on and speculate around it, having experienced it before reading about it. Builds curiousity. And the proposal about the intensive energy consumption by the sense raises a whole load of ideas.
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Yes, there is unmanifest and manifest which I consider prana, light form, could be astral or beyond in the spirit.
Treasures particularly from thought forms such as mantra, the liberating (taraka) ones lead to pure awareness, but in the mean time in the prana, heavenly, powerful, whatever you want in addition (my opinion/conjecture), or implied in Acim, they, our creations, are of God as we are, so perhaps beyond speculation, but I think sublimities and such in the visionary may be a good indication.



Yeah jokes aside, beyond speculation is a good way of putting it.
:rainbowcloud:
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I think of subtle as refined, like the light/thought form of the table, and generally I think of it as higher in the creative hierarchy, but it is confusing because the table is from earth, a tree, no doubt with its astral counterpart. Which is the cause and the effect? I have thought the physical is the effect of the effect, like shadows, or reduced dimensional projections.



That's the way it's often intended in these contexts, AFAIK.
The idea of reduced dimensional projections, fits with what the commentery on that pic (and the relation w/ Bardo Thodol) warns about.
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It reminded of Vasistha musing there is no cause for the physical manifestation; mind reflects thought, and the solidity is as coincidence, like the crow alighting on a tree branch, and the coconut falling, implying the former did not cause the effect.



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    #28671878 - 02/22/24 07:57 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

The black essence as the annihilative force I appreciate more as well as the experience reflects the description very well. I have hints and hopes that such force does not necessarily need lack of light as it were, though it may be called clear light. How annihilative will be the intense light?

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    #28673697 - 02/24/24 06:36 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

:heart: this one I just read today!


“God may forgive your sins, but your nervous system won’t.”

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    #28673744 - 02/24/24 07:14 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Reminded of the body being allied to the ego being not about forgiveness, in Acim terms, the compromise guilt and blame ridden.

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    #28676479 - 02/26/24 03:02 AM (3 months, 28 days ago)

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The black essence as the annihilative force I appreciate more as well as the experience reflects the description very well. I have hints and hopes that such force does not necessarily need lack of light as it were, though it may be called clear light. How annihilative will be the intense light?



You know what they say- annihilation for one is restoration for another...
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    #28676493 - 02/26/24 03:57 AM (3 months, 28 days ago)

What more full than emptiness? :yesnod:

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