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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#28676383 - 02/25/24 11:40 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Amen. We need to abolish the electoral college; it skews the overall will of the voters.
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durian_2008
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#28676386 - 02/25/24 11:44 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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What was your alternative to the most populous states overriding the least populous?
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: durian_2008]
#28676508 - 02/26/24 04:38 AM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Letting them override. Its not my fault nobody wants to move to North Dakota.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: durian_2008] 2
#28676656 - 02/26/24 08:19 AM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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durian_2008 said: What was your alternative to the most populous states overriding the least populous?
Fuck them. Land doesn't vote.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28676661 - 02/26/24 08:23 AM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: If Trump loses this time, I am seriously fearful for what could happen, not because of Biden, although the Biden establishment has its issues, but because of what all the Trumpers will do.
Trump supporters will riot no matter what, win lose or draw. General chaos works in their favor. A violent riot after a loss or a violently jubilant riot in celebration of victory, doesn't really matter.
The only real difference is whether the leaders of the right wing militias wind up Röhmed over the next week. If Trump wins, they well might be.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. *DELETED* [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28676865 - 02/26/24 12:08 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Post deleted by Enlil
Reason for deletion: completely off topic
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different policy. Rant. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28676866 - 02/26/24 12:09 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Regardless of whatever was said above this comment. Democracy must be protected against oligarchy and authoritarianism.
Republicans have steeply slid in that direction, and no longer care for the democracy that they are supposed to be protecting and serving.
There is a huge glaring difference between the two parties. As is made very visibly apparent by the houses refusal to do its job.
So steeped in bullshit and partisan politics, that the concept of compromise no longer exists. They would rather just have a tantrum or throw a filibuster party.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. *DELETED* [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28676904 - 02/26/24 12:56 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Off topic rant
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. *DELETED* [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28677671 - 02/26/24 11:51 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Democracy is mob rule.
Pundits interview people on the boardwalk, who can't identify our basic cultural mainstays.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: durian_2008]
#28677734 - 02/27/24 02:47 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Democracy means that we elect through voting.
That’s the opposite of mob rule.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28677814 - 02/27/24 07:17 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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It's pretty much the same thing. Democracy means tyranny of the majority.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: Enlil]
#28677818 - 02/27/24 07:22 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Direct democracy, expeditious self destruction.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. *DELETED* [Re: durian_2008]
#28677979 - 02/27/24 09:51 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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The personal letters attributed to historical people are not formally the same as the law, written in stone. Maybe, it gives us clues as to their intentions, but not citing precedent, per se.
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“I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either. … Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation. Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large bodies of men, never.” ― John Adams, The Letters of John and Abigail Adams
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There is a story, often told, that upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it."
I am not saying that the Republican Party has the only possible notion of what is a republic; Plato's Republic gives us several possible iterations, from only one pen.
However, a democracy is a foreign system, under which cultural Marxists are intentionally trying to foment a dictatorship of the proletariat -- in other words, riotous mob rule.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. *DELETED* [Re: durian_2008]
#28677983 - 02/27/24 09:55 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Rinse, Repeat, Venezuela.
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Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: Enlil]
#28678539 - 02/27/24 04:35 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Not when the population is actually educated. People are under the mistaken impression, for some reason, that people are far less alike than they actually are. This is the root of the assertion that direct democracy does not work, because the majority would not care about the rest of the population. This only occurs when people are not educated, because when they actually are educated, they feel ethical necessity for their decisions, which means education reinforces empathy. A direct democracy is preferable, unless the population is kept distracted and ignorant.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28678557 - 02/27/24 04:41 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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You’re making sweeping statements, like socialism and fascism are the same. It’s just not true. Making claims like. We are all the same deep down. Doesn’t have anything to do with political parties wanting different different things.
People may share the same motivations, but the way they want to get them can be completely different.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28678564 - 02/27/24 04:43 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: Not when the population is actually educated. People are under the mistaken impression, for some reason, that people are far less alike than they actually are. This is the root of the assertion that direct democracy does not work, because the majority would not care about the rest of the population. This only occurs when people are not educated, because when they actually are educated, they feel ethical necessity for their decisions, which means education reinforces empathy. A direct democracy is preferable, unless the population is kept distracted and ignorant.
Can you give an example of this ever working on a scale larger than a few hundred people?
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
#28678571 - 02/27/24 04:45 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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I know a lot of really well educated people that are total morons.
The electoral college and the aim to qualm mob rule is of course rooted in slavery and the 3/5th compromise.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: Enlil]
#28678582 - 02/27/24 04:51 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Philosophically, it is the most preferable. I'd say in real life the same thing. Representatives too easily and often stab their constituents in the back.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Different agendas. Rant. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28678643 - 02/27/24 05:35 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Individuals stab everyone in the back.
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