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SeymourKrelborn
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Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub?
#28676145 - 02/25/24 08:52 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Title basically explains it.
I'm still trying to grasp fruiting conditions and surface conditions but from what I understand the up to date tek for mono tubs is no FAE restriction from the get go.
But the water tub tek calls for restricting FAE for 3 days and then moving to fruiting conditions.
Why the difference?
In a mono you are waiting for 100% colonization and FAE isn't an issue. So why with BRF cakes that have sat for a week after 100% colonization is it an issue?
Sorry if this makes no sense. I border line have no clue what I'm doing but I'm trying to fix that. So any help is appreciated.
Also has anyone seen/tried drilling several small holes in the sides of the water tub ( much like pasty's Ez dial tek) and just keeping the lid on tight ? Would this offer better FAE? Or not really matter?
Cheers
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Re: Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub? [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
#28676152 - 02/25/24 08:56 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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You are reading an old tek or mixing up advice from reddit.
We put tubs into fruiting conditions once we mix the spawn with the sub. For cakes: they are ready for fruiting conditions once you put them in the fruiting chamber
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SeymourKrelborn
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Re: Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
#28676176 - 02/25/24 09:10 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Thanks for the reply!
Maybe I'm not comprehending this correctly but in the hitchhikers guide sticky Beef says Quote:
There is no sealing a tub to cut off airflow at any point, ever. There is no distinguishable difference between growing and fruiting conditions. Its considered standard practice to allow fae from the moment we spawn the tub.
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Or are you saying its old tek to restrict FAE on brf cakes in a water tub for 3 days.
Thanks Cheers
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Edited by SeymourKrelborn (02/25/24 09:12 PM)
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Re: Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub? [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
#28676181 - 02/25/24 09:13 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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There is no FAE restriction for cakes either. I am saying that FAE is good for both traditional tubs and BRF cakes.
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Re: Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
#28676286 - 02/25/24 10:30 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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The confusion is coming from the water tub tek that we mostly recommend now CB. In that tek it does say to seal it for 2 days to allow the mycelium to get ahold better. But mateja hasn't been around to either edit it or to prove that it's better.
I'm with you though no need to choke them out ever.
Edited by WyoMX (02/25/24 10:31 PM)
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Re: Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub? [Re: WyoMX]
#28676436 - 02/26/24 01:13 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Some things are unique to circumstances too. Different tubs with different lids allow for various levels of FAE, so the best course of action is to keep in mind the general guidelines, keep an eye on the grow at hand, and try to adjust. I did change my first tub mid grow, as I wasn't happy with it, as it allowed for too much FAE, with the lid latched on. Crappy lid and all.
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Re: Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub? [Re: Skropi]
#28677485 - 02/26/24 08:46 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes Mateja clarified why restricting FAE is recommended:
Mateja's comment
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Place the lid back on fully to restrict FAE as much as possible and within hours the fully saturated environment will already have triggered regeneration in all colonies. For as long as >99% humidity is maintained the colony will keep regenerating new myc from all over the surface regardless of whether it has a coir layer to grab on to or not. Here are a few pics to show the transformation after ~48h in a closed Water Tub:
  
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Mateja's comment
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After you have dunked and rolled your cakes place them inside the Water Tub and close the lid shut completely for a day or two or until you notice the myc having 'grabbed' a desirable amount of the verm/coir layer but without the cake having turned into a 'snow ball' being totally engulfed in regenerating myc. Whenever humidity is close to saturation levels mycelium will act in this way. Some growers express this as 'when FAE rates are too low'. Either way, extremely slowed down evaporation seems to cause this reaction. Further this trick can also be performed on cakes that have had their surface conditions seriously messed up by previous harsh conditions, in that case one can simply coat the cakes in a new layer and then shut off FAE completely for a short period until surface conditions have improved and then gradually increase FAE as you're managing the newly reastablished micro climate.
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Re: Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub? [Re: WyoMX]
#28677490 - 02/26/24 08:48 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Quote:
WyoMX said: The confusion is coming from the water tub tek that we mostly recommend now CB.
Thank you for clarifying.
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Re: Help me understand. Why no FAE restriction for monos but 3 day restriction for brf in water tub? [Re: fungusul]
#28679722 - 02/28/24 01:49 PM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thanks. This helps me understand it grasp the concept.
Cheers!
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