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Pin density determined by genetics only? 1
#28676032 - 02/25/24 07:33 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Hey All,
Like the title of the post says, I'm wondering if flush density is controlled entirely by genetics or are there environmental conditions that can be controlled to affect pin density. This is my first grow, and I just got done with the first flush of golden teachers and the pin density was quite high. As a result, because there were so many pins, the stipes were on the more narrow side. However, in one of my tubs, I had a monster. It weighted 4 times the next largest one and had a nice thick meaty stipe (yes, I cloned it). It got me wondering if there are any environmental/growing conditions I could control to produce less pin density and hopefully a flush of thicker stipes.
Thanks and look forward to some feedback

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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: charlesbarkley] 1
#28676195 - 02/25/24 09:36 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Both are a factor. You can experience more consistent results if you clone fruits and keep the fruiting conditions the same over multiple generations.
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
#28676342 - 02/25/24 11:06 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yeah, so what I'm trying to figure out is if there is a way to control pin density. To lessen it in hopes of growing fewer but larger mushrooms. -And if those conditions can be controlled, what and how?
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: charlesbarkley]
#28676371 - 02/25/24 11:31 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Exactly like CB said, by cloning the attributes you want pin density wise and keeping your conditions consistent you’ll get consistent grows of those attributes no other way to control it, it could be environmental factors in your initial grow but you simply won’t know, that’s why we clone to control what we get.
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: 3.A.M]
#28676430 - 02/26/24 12:58 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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What's your spawn ratio, thickness , and fruiting chamber.
Deeper better on everything deeper sub deeper tub more water reserve (more spawn) will get you bigger fruits
Stipes thicknes is probably more genetic related
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: 3.A.M]
#28677066 - 02/26/24 03:35 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Got it. Yeah, that's what I was wondering- is it purely genetic? Sounds like it is. I wanted to find out if adjusting spawn or sub values, pseudo casing layer depth, etc. could have an impact on pin density and it sounds like it's just genetics. Ty.
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: LewDoja]
#28677071 - 02/26/24 03:38 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Spawn ratio about 1:3. Depth about 4.5 inches. Straight to fruiting in a dub tub bc I like the aesthetics. My next round, I'll go deeper as the sub is essentially just a water reserve and mushrooms are nearly 95% water.
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: charlesbarkley]
#28677583 - 02/26/24 10:18 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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charlesbarkley said: Spawn ratio about 1:3. Depth about 4.5 inches. Straight to fruiting in a dub tub bc I like the aesthetics. My next round, I'll go deeper as the sub is essentially just a water reserve and mushrooms are nearly 95% water.
The pinset is different than the actual density of the mushroom... but a lot of cubs are pretty hollow.
I actually prefer the average sized shrooms from a full canopy vs a few monsters. makes Better pictures and easier to dry as well as dosing (unless you make tea , or capsules) nobody wants the 8g+ mushroom so it gets broken up any ways
That tub looks good man the consecutive flushes will have (should) bigger and fewer
What was total wet weight on that
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: charlesbarkley]
#28677709 - 02/27/24 01:27 AM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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charlesbarkley said: Yeah, so what I'm trying to figure out is if there is a way to control pin density. To lessen it in hopes of growing fewer but larger mushrooms. -And if those conditions can be controlled, what and how?
I have very limited experience that hotter temps (80F+) with semi-humid conditions will encourage larger fruits to grow.
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: charlesbarkley] 1
#28677797 - 02/27/24 06:41 AM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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Yes pin density is determined by genetics. Environmental factors are what causes the genetics to express themselves to their fullest potential.
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: LewDoja]
#28680236 - 02/28/24 07:06 PM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thanks man. I appreciate your input. Being so early in my growing, I don't know what I don't know. Total wet weight was 21oz. Total dry weight was 1.57oz. After seeing that honker, it just got me wondering if there was anything besides cloning that I could do to encourage a tub to grow with less mushrooms, but more that size.
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: charlesbarkley] 1
#28680471 - 02/28/24 10:39 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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charlesbarkley said: Thanks man. I appreciate your input. Being so early in my growing, I don't know what I don't know. Total wet weight was 21oz. Total dry weight was 1.57oz. After seeing that honker, it just got me wondering if there was anything besides cloning that I could do to encourage a tub to grow with less mushrooms, but more that size.
1.5oz dry 
Those are awesome for first tub. And if that was only 1myco qrt of grain that is great b.e.
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Re: Pin density determined by genetics only? [Re: LewDoja] 1
#28680920 - 02/29/24 09:51 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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It was my first grow so I was recorded just about everything. It was 24.3oz spawn. Ngl, it hurts seeing 21oz turn into 1.5oz, but that's just how it goes.
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