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First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome.
    #28673209 - 02/23/24 07:33 PM (10 months, 18 days ago)

Hello all.

I will try and keep this short, and I'll fail miserably. But I'll try.

I have been researching heavily for a little over a month and I feel like I am starting to grasp some of the major concepts of cultivating cubes.

I was originally planning on buying an all in one bag so I could get micro dosing asap but the more I read I just couldn't do it with all the info out there. I then moved on the BRF cakes but knew I would end up using mono tubs at some point, so I put in the effort to research more and I feel like I'm almost there. But I've been wrong before.

I will list my plan of attack and then list some note/things I'm not quite sure on at the end.

Full disclosure: I sometimes like doing things that are more labor intensive just for the sake of the experience. I know I have included a few things that are not necessary but as long as they dont hurt the grow I'm ok with extra steps.


Game plan:

I will be getting some GT and B+ via LC.

Not sure what my final course will be but here are the options I have identified for inoculating my spawn.

Options:
1- lc to grain spawn to sub
2- lc to more lc media to spawn to sub (would allow higher LC to spawn ratio and save me from having to buy multiple 10ml LC of the same variety)
3- lc to grain to grain to sub
4- lc to agar to grain to sub
5- lc to lc media to agar to grain to grain to sub

All done using a SAB

I am leaning toward #5 as my best option. I also want to transfer some LC to more LC MEDIA so I can have more on hands for messing with agar and slants while the grow is in progress.

PC jars of Milo w/ gypsum using beef's wheat TEK
(only using Milo, really like the spice rack : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28148303#28148303 )
(Gypsum will be during the soak, I know not necessary but will how small the Milo is something just feels right about the anti caking properties it provides. Again I feel it can't hurt the grow so I'm ok with it)

I will be going with a CV sub using this ratio:
650g or 1 brick of coir
3 quarts vermiculite
3-4 quarts h20

Will be using BOD's bucket tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24077162#24077162

I will use a ratio of 1:2 to 1:3. Haven't fully committed to a ratio but I understand the concept and expected results of moving up or down on the ratio.

Sub will be mixed with spawn and compacted to 3 inches deep then a .5 sub only top layer. ( this is still a major research topic for me. I know no grain should be exposed but still looking at top layer/pseudo casing/ casing layers. So this is subject to change and I welcome input)

Will use Pasty's EZ tub tek (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339/fpart/88)


''Fruiting conditions'' will be used from the time of spawn.


.5 inch pseudo casing (CV) will be added when 100% colonization occurs
(again as stated above, still researching. I know cubes dont really need casing layers but something just makes sense to me about a protective top layer. I have seen the 50/50 casing Tek and will keep researching the addition of lime and oyster shell https://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek#5050plus

I know the casing is not for nutrients but more for micro climate management and structural support for the mycelium during fruiting as well as hydration supplementation.
  Again from what I can tell the down side of casing at most can slow down the fruiting process and could and up putting undue weight on the mycelium.

My big thing I'm trying to understand is casing timing as I dont feel like naturally once the mycelium fully colonizes it just gets an extra layer of substrate out of no where. So I'm still looking into casing layer right from the get go or at colonization. Input welcome.

Tubs will be in a room with natural sun light 12 on 12 off or whatever the natural lighting provies. House is set at 73-75. I have the ablility to restrict ac flow to room to keep it a little warmer if need be.

Sub will be compacted tight to combat side pins. Going to try and not use liner if i can and really focus on keeping topsoil conditions dialed in and on point.




Well thats what I've come up with for now. I still want to keep reading and learning. 
I won't be able to start this grow until may/June so I still have time to tweak. I'm just trying to make sure I'm on the right path.

Ive made huge leaps since coming over here from reedit and that was two weeks ago. So I hope I can keep it up.

Please feel free to address any and all issues you see. I've got thick skin and am not knew to forums. That said I have worked hard to search and pull from material that is not outdated.

I still need to calculate grain volumes and depending on ratio used the sub straight volume. If I was unclear or left out any critical, LMK

Thanks in advance.

Cheers.


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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
    #28673218 - 02/23/24 07:45 PM (10 months, 18 days ago)

what you have listed looks great.  i was tempted to say that opting for LC media instead of pursuing G2G as a primary method of expansion was something you should change....but i would ask a more senior member to check me on that.  as i understand it, in an effort to maximize production or output, g2g is far more advantageous than using LC or growing LC in lieu of a master grain jar.


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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: Daeda1us]
    #28673240 - 02/23/24 08:01 PM (10 months, 18 days ago)

I agree. The whole idea behind expanding the LC was so I could:
A. inoculate more without having to get multiple 10ml LC syringes from the source.
B. So I had more on hand to play with while growing.

I have not purchased a single piece of supply so when I do everything will be bought at once so I will be a little giddy like Christmas  morning. I plan on doing other exotics medicinal and gourmet as I am of fan of both health enhancement and culinary arts.

G2G is the next rabbit hole I'm going down.

Thanks for the input and reply.

Cheers


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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
    #28673290 - 02/23/24 08:44 PM (10 months, 18 days ago)

as my math teacher said, there's more than one way to solve a logical problem. with what we do, LC or g2g is up to you; i'm preferable to g2g, just what i'm used to.

while LC will solve both a) & b), if you wish to dive into g2g, i've found g2g extremely effective in expanding your grow without additional equipment. basically you load your receiving jars with less grain before sterilizing so you have room to shake after adding donor grain.


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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
    #28673300 - 02/23/24 08:52 PM (10 months, 18 days ago)

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SeymourKrelborn said:
I have been researching heavily for a little over a month and I feel like I am starting to grasp some of the major concepts of cultivating cubes.




good. you seem earnest, humble and willing to learn. i will try to help you if i can.

1. yes
2. yes, this is smart and if you´re looking to expand its a good option, but you will want to learn agar first before you try to propagate lc. attempting lc with little to no experience (no offense meant there) is imo a fools errand. practive agar, learn to make your own lc, then propagate. hell youve come this far, why not do a little more research? That will work though.
3. grain to grain is also hard and generally not recommended by many without the use of an ffu, but yeah it can be done in an sab just fine imo.
4. this is the one i really advise you to do. its clear that your goal is to acquire knowledge and experience quickly. this is the ultimate way to accomplish that goal and the best starting point beyond a doubt, excluding pf tek as per your decision.
5. these are getting steadily more complicated. test lc on agar, perform xfers to obtain clean culture, a2g all fucking day for you my friend, thats my 2 cents. dont overthink it.

that tek is pretty old and i find it results in overly wet coir if followed exactly, its in the thread actually. i do 4qt h2o and 1.25qt verm per 650kg brick. you will have to dial your stuff in yourself though.

I generally dont advise using cm or in to plan your sub depth but rather volume, as you ownt know how deep it is until after hard compression. this way you can record your data and dial your methods more efficiently.

a 50/50 casing usually only used for pe and other stuff but noraml cubes shouldnt need it. lime and oyster shell are not necessary and iirc lime can be detrimental? calcium carbonate fine tho.

go with a top layer or pseudo casing at spawn, jus tput more coir or cv on top and compress it. it helps the hyphae grow and provides extra water reservoir. dont overcomplicate it.

my house stays 63-67 and everything is fine.
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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28673334 - 02/23/24 09:17 PM (10 months, 18 days ago)

Solid advice. Much appreciated and no offense taken. I will be the first to admit that I am inexperienced.

As you pointed out I want to get moving pretty quick. I need to be careful with this because some times I will attempt to sprint before crawling.

The main reason I was thinking of the all in one was because I wanted to start micro dosing asap as that is what got me interested in myco. But I got bit by the bug and I'm full throttle now. But I do want to enjoy the ride. I love finding things I am ignorant of and immersing myself in them.

I will take your advice and start looking into the recommendations you advised as I like to understand why I am doing the things I am doing.

Cheers


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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
    #28673394 - 02/23/24 09:56 PM (10 months, 17 days ago)

Welcome To Shroomery! :mushroom2:

Options #4 and #5 look good to me because the use of agar to test LC. Could start with option #4 and later try option #5. Instead of cleaning on agar, you could test and clean LC on PF-PUK.

:imo: For a beginner, it's always recommended to start with PF-TEK to learn the basics. Read Updated PF Tek Guide.

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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: fungusul]
    #28673421 - 02/23/24 10:17 PM (10 months, 17 days ago)

I appreciate the reply.

I like PF tek but idk if its my desire to do more or what but I really am drawn to the mono tub tek.

That said I do feel like I could humble myself and tackle the PF first. But a part of me (my ego) feels like I can give mono tubs a decent shot first rip.

I will need to soul search on it.

Ego is a mudda fukka

Cheers


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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
    #28673452 - 02/23/24 10:49 PM (10 months, 17 days ago)

PF is also used by expert shroomers for small experimental growths, cleanup when agar fails. A lot of exotics are grown on PF cakes.

Using PF cakes in combination with a water tube increases the chances of success and reduces risk. When a cake fails, you can just remove that cake, and continue with the remaining cakes. It's almost guaranteed to have some success when PF-TEK is followed to the letter.

When a mono tube fails, then you loose a lot of material(substrate/grain).

You could expand LC and use it as a backup in case LC-agar-grain fails.

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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
    #28673519 - 02/24/24 12:31 AM (10 months, 17 days ago)

I agree with a lot that’s been recommended here and I think with how much thought you’re putting into your first couple grows you’re gonna do just fine. Just don’t love your first projects to death! That was the hardest part for me at first. Establish proper surface conditions and then leave that shit alone!

I think if you shot some of that LC into a handful of brf jars and then fruited them in a water tub that would be you’re quickest path to success and you’d be on your way to microdosing.

Dropping some of that LC to agar will also allow you to store and expand that original culture if you end up really liking it. But also you can take some spore prints and clones from the initial fruits you grow and that will give you plenty of material to really learn agar with and work your way into grain with. Then you can take that same tub you were using to grow your cakes and turn it into a monotub.

Seems like you’re on the right path tho, good luck!

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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: SeymourKrelborn]
    #28673542 - 02/24/24 01:01 AM (10 months, 17 days ago)

Quote:

SeymourKrelborn said:
I appreciate the reply.

I like PF tek but idk if its my desire to do more or what but I really am drawn to the mono tub tek.

That said I do feel like I could humble myself and tackle the PF first. But a part of me (my ego) feels like I can give mono tubs a decent shot first rip.

I will need to soul search on it.

Ego is a mudda fukka

Cheers



A few months ago I was exactly like you. I didn't want to start with the PF Tek, because I thought it is for people not smart enough to go the grain route. I was totally wrong of course. Thankfully I listened to the advice I got, and started growing with brf cakes. You will not humble yourself by choosing the PF Tek, for me it is a necessary first step, as it has a lot to teach, and you do get to harvest lots of shrooms as an added bonus. Right now I don't feel the need to get into grains, but I did get into agar from the get go, as it is very interesting and useful regardless of the Tek you plan to follow.
Oh, and let me tell you, a more experienced cultivator does get more out of the cakes than me. While simple, PF Tek has many little details that do matter, and if one is not able to discern them, then it is too early to get into grains.


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Re: First post. Rate my plan of attack. Criticism welcome. [Re: Skropi]
    #28674443 - 02/24/24 04:49 PM (10 months, 17 days ago)

Hey guys,

First time checking back in today. Great info in the replies.

All much appreciated.

I am going to revisit the PF tek and look into using it as my first grow to get the micro dosing under way while I continue to research and plan out my grain options.

I will keep tweaking this plan but will formulate a BRF tek and check back in.

Thank you.

Cheers


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