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7 philosophical remarks
    #28667423 - 02/19/24 09:10 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)



1. Question the question

Can you question the question itself? Whatever question that can be asked can always be traced to one question.
Why is the sky blue?
Question that question.
Why is that question? Why do I ask the question 'Why is the Sky blue?'
Because I want to know.
I want to know is to say I don't know. To want means to not have.
Now question that question. Why do I want to know?
The only following answer is 'because I do not know.'
This is a reflection of the fact that we fundamentally do not know. We cannot question the questioner itself. Why do I want to know why I want to know? There becomes an infinite regress. We cannot know the I, because it is always moving. 'I' itself is unknowing. It is being as unknowing. It is always wanting to know, aiming to know. Only with what it finds can it place itself and know itself, but only that it is nothing. It has fragmented, explainable pieces but is itself nothing. It is necessary for us to know nothing to know thyself.

2. Existential vs existentiell identity

Identity is a relation. If there were no people left on Earth, shortly afterwards you would go insane, because your identity would fall apart without anyone there to receive it. It is, furthermore, not that people merely receive your identity but add to it as well. And this is the case for everyone. People are multiple sided sponges of interaction, and the manipulation of this is called being 'two faced.'
In the same way anything is what it is by virtue of the fact it isn't anything else, who you are is by virtue of the fact you are not anyone else. Thus, there is actual logical truth in the imperative "be yourself, everyone else is already taken." You would not be yourself without other people. Conscious experience is not the same alone with oneself as it is with another person.
Identity is dual. There is the atemporal and the temporal identity. The temporal identity must be with others, because it is always with the recognition of others whereby it could ever be recognized. This identity is the one in action, and the one we would reflect upon if asked the question "Who are you?" It relates to relations between people, and one's temporal position.
The atemporal identity is the existential identity. It is the inner profundity than cannot be interrogated. It moves with every moment. It is the reason why Ego cogito ergo sum can only be an abstraction. It is never held down. It never becomes a thing. It is always there, even if it abstracts it. But its real substance is between identities, between existential identites. These are created, to borrow a term from Heidegger, existentiell identities.
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Existentiell refers to the aspects of the world which are identifiable as particular delimited questions or issues, whereas existential refers to Being as such, which permeates all things, so to speak, and can not be delimited in such a way as to be susceptible to factual knowledge




The question pertaining to ones identity will always relate to other people, and the content that pertains to other people. The uniqueness with which this takes place is understood as one's identity, even though at the core of it is constant movement and change. There is no single point of its core.
The awareness of something depends on the way the question orients the awareness. 

Identity requires immediately its opposite but equal pole, which is why "dualitas ipsa dualitas alia," duality is itself another duality. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur; everything sounds profound in Latin. Latin has a great way to put axioms. It is a spiritual language, and it puts things succinctly and beautifully. I find it useful to remember useful phrases in Latin, because it solidifies the concept and that node of thought-connections. It becomes a definite logical object made of words, if an axiom. Duality is 4. Two pairs. Pairs of same and opposite make four potentialities. These symbols go back as far as civilization has record.

3. Consciousness is collective with language

Language regards intercourse, namely its two definitions: 1. communication or dealings between individuals or groups.
"everyday social intercourse," or 2. "short for sexual intercourse."
-----late Middle English: from Old French entrecours ‘exchange, commerce’, from Latin intercursus, from intercurrere ‘intervene’, from inter- ‘between’ + currere ‘run’. The specifically sexual use arose in the late 18th century.

The duality of consciousness in the structure of language requiring a subject and a predicate is the same duality of intercourse, which regards an existential identity to another existential identity. In the course of words itself, two existential identities converge; that crossing over creates a point of reference for the existential identity, and thus subsists with a real existence. Identity implies neural synchrony with another person. The consciousness is fundamentally in place with the existence of others, and cannot exist or ever know itself without anyone else. It is through others that it becomes known itself.

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Synchrony, entrainment, and attention
Although a full characterization of neural rhythms is beyond the scope of this article, here I will describe potential means by which enhanced synchronous activity – both within and possibly between nervous systems (Hasson, Ghazanfar, Galantucci, Garrod, & Keysers, 2012; Hennig, 2014; Sänger, Müller, & Lindenberger, 2012) – may impact sexual experience and functioning. I propose that synchrony promotes the intensity of sexual experience through at least three mechanisms: 1) enhanced summation of excitatory neural activity, 2) increased attention via integration of mutually informing data streams, and 3) maximal driving of neural systems for reward and somatic response.

The brain exhibits rhythmic oscillations at a variety of frequencies (Buzsáki & Watson, 2012), the source of which is the synchronous activity of neuronal populations. On the level of basic neurophysiology, neurons are more likely to fire action potentials if their inputs arrive within a narrow window of time relative to each other (Schutter, 2004). This temporal summation suggests a straightforward role for synchrony in enhancing neural signaling: synchronized neural systems allow inputs to arrive within sufficiently narrow windows of time such that neurons are more likely to transmit further signals by firing.3

In terms of cognitive and affective functioning, synchrony likely promotes enhanced coordination of different kinds of information (Deco & Kringelbach, 2016). Experiences have tactile, visual, auditory, olfactory, and gustatory aspects, all of which are associated in specific ways based on their common causation by particular multi-aspect properties of the world (Hayek, 1952). This challenge of bringing together multiple causes into a coherent flow of experience is sometimes called the ‘binding problem’ (Singer, 2001), and synchrony may be crucial for understanding how different aspects of percepts are bound together into coherent wholes (Baars, 2005; Edelman, 2004; Melloni et al., 2007; Tononi, 2008). Synchronous rhythms have been proposed as a basic mechanism of perceptual stability and attentional control, and theoretically, the conditions that promote neural synchrony could enhance the vividness of awareness (Buzsáki & Watson, 2012; Canolty & Knight, 2010; Lakatos, Karmos, Mehta, Ulbert, & Schroeder, 2008; Lutz, Greischar, Rawlings, Ricard, & Davidson, 2004).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5087698/





4. Philosophy is love making in words

It literally means love of wisdom. When you make love in words, as many philosophers were celibate or placed a spiritual emphasis on sexuality, the energy is transfered into the subject. It appears not as an erotic charge but a dynamic enthusiasm. There is a dynamic enthusiasm for the web of consciousness which philosophy holds as a nexus. There is a love for humanity in it, and hence are the virtues of wisdom. It is where the existential identity converges on so many throughout history. It finds its place in the home of thoughts of too many to count, and falls into the spot that must always exist for the observer and all of the observed. Philosophy is itself a part of the world, and it is actually constituted by the love of wisdom, and thus the love of humanity. Sex is what happens when the existentiell identites are dissolved, and then one can get as close to seeing the existential identity of another as possible. The patterns and rhythms of day to day interactions create regularities of identity that can be distinct from one another in significant ways. Being frivolous with such a thing can, for instance, put yourself in precarious situations where you may find yourself in a place you don't want to be or around people you don't want to be around.

5. Sex is as important to a person as is speech

Love making is the necessary foundation from which any two people who do not love each other can come together and make agreement with words. Otherwise, one can only see the other as reflecting a constant seeking without compromise. Sex is compromise, unless in a coercive or abusive manner. True communication is compromise, because the recognition of the existential identity is viewed as sacrosanct. Only with sex can the existential identity, unknowable by virtue of its impossibility to be adequately defined, be actually apphrended with a conscious knowledge. The only thing about a person beforehand is the shadowed appearances of their existentiell identities, which, once explored, reveal their nexus of identity. Sexuality, shared emotions, is the basis upon which people have ethical concern for one another when interacting. In sexuality people become shaped by the depth of the awareness of all that cannot be said. When words become to dominate and awarenesses and experiences are treated as nonexistent is a reflection of a lack of awareness of the depth of individuals as emotional beings.

6. People are the true sorcerers; The nameless existential identity is the ultimate criterion of knowledge

The fact we fundamentally do not know when we are asked why we want to know is because we must know lest there be chaos. The reflection of one another as sharing this predicament is the solid foundation upon which knowledge of human existence is built, shared and agreed with. Reality itself is the result of the sacrosanctity of us all sharing an ever changing nothingness, and building something with that. That is something from nothing, and it is the sorcery, the seeming magic of what is inside of everyone, which makes anyone alive, and is shared by everyone.

7. Nobody created their main language

Everyone is part of the web of communication and love from the moment they are born, regardless. It is a human web of love. This is what God is, and it will exists as long as people put out more love in life than its opposite. The best language involves rhythm. Love is truly alive, which is what I created "venus venerari vult vulgo, venias ventis vivificantibus: versiculum venustum vere velit ut vesper vocetur veniatque volans viso vesperæ verbis luciferis vitarum" to encapsulate. It means "Venus wishes to be worshiped by everyone, wills graces with vivifying winds: verily she may will a wondrous verse so that Vesper may be invocated and come flying in the face of the evening sky with luminous words of life."
Venus is the willing, wanting inside us all. Vesper is the night sky we see ourselves in the midst of wishing. The two reflect, again, the subject and predicate; the self and the other; the same versus the opposite; the lover and the loved; the nameless and the named.


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28667763 - 02/20/24 07:10 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Nice...I haven't yet read it all, but: "Ego cogito ergo sum can only be an abstraction. It is never held down. It never becomes a thing." is debatable; if we 'are' as we 'think' (we attempt to be our values) then it is a thing.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28667837 - 02/20/24 08:23 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

It is not debatable. Descartes is hypostatizing a definite I. It is the fallacy of reification.


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atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28668854 - 02/20/24 09:08 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

I concede the point; i.e. 'Civilization' is not a 'thing'. That's your position in this debate.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28668863 - 02/20/24 09:17 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

People are made into things. They are not things. That is a position of mine.


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28668909 - 02/20/24 10:02 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

I dunno, but it seems to me that the fallacy of reification concerns tangibles and intangibles, and civilization is tangible imo.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28669004 - 02/20/24 11:59 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

it is a tangible like nature is, which is not as a commodity,
although oases of civilization and nature parks are commodities.


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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28669024 - 02/21/24 12:27 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

OK so a commode is a receptacle of tangibles like a commodity is a conveyor of tangibles.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28669039 - 02/21/24 12:52 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

that is a plumb(ing) perception


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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28669054 - 02/21/24 01:10 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Pokeymon received his first ingot.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28672676 - 02/23/24 11:19 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

8. Don't worry about stupid philosophical garbage. Worry about your next action.


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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #28672806 - 02/23/24 01:00 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Eventually one will regret not having studied philosophy.

In Erik Erikson's theory, the last stage of moral development concerns wisdom, namely integrity vs. despair. Philosophy, love of wisdom, is designed to prevent (ego) despair in this stage. Know thyself, but what does that mean? Despair is falling apart. Many people fall apart.


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28673006 - 02/23/24 04:29 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

God is malevolent and Evil; we are not made in his image. We are made as a means to overthrow God, to oppose Evil and the gnashing of the teeth. We are meant to be like Zeus and the Olympians.
Since God is Evil, the only Good in the world is with humanity. If humanity fails, so will love and all that is Good. All that is evil is the lack of human conscience. It is all the collective experiences of horror, of pain, of being ripped to shreds as a deep sea creature, over all the hundreds and hundreds of millions of years. That is all that will exist without us and our complexity of consciousness.
Tiny glimpses of hope appear in different species when they come together with affection and play... This has always been the loving light in the darkness. It shows the brightest in us, and that is what Venus means, and that is why Lucifer means light bringer and is itself a male version of the Goddess of Love.


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28673012 - 02/23/24 04:40 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

To speak fantastically...
Maybe God has Evil mishaps; and maybe that is why we exist, to oppose the Evil that God has made for whatever reason. I'm saying this as a metaphor. I'm saying the meaning in God being Evil and us delivered by a telos of rescinding the invitation to Evil relates more to our actual, human condition -- of consciousness versus the brutality of the world. This relates more to the world than its opposite, namely Christianity. The problem is not us: the problem is God. We are God's problem, and we have to overcome the horror and pain in existence and eradicate it, thus making God better and completing God, because God cannot do it without us. God needs us, but we are mad at God because he did this to us; but only in being mad at God, and hence in wanting better than what God has done, can we be most like God in all that he is which is not evil. God is in love with two. He is torn to pieces because he doesn't want to harm either of them, but he cannot help himself. We are God's bastard children, and we ought to sock it to him.


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28673065 - 02/23/24 05:23 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Mythologically speaking here... hypothetical

1. We are made in the opposing image of God. We are God's shadow.

2. God's error, and hence Evil, has created us.

3. God is susceptible to the creation of Evil

4. We can be like God and blindly cause evil, or overcome Evil and overcome the bad quality of God and become like Gods.

5. Since God is not completely Good, we must drown Evil in Good. 

6. We exist necessarily opposing evil, otherwise we will die/go extinct, because if we do not oppose it then we will by default be it, because it is fundamental to us, that is... unconsciousness, blind reaction, animalistic murderousness, hatred, savageness, aggression. All these things God has created.

7. To live as a human being is to oppose the evil fundamental to existence and nature, and precisely not be like the evil that humans naturally oppose.

8. We reconcile life when we overthrow the Evil of God in nature and establish only the Good, because God cannot: he is responsible for Evil. Therefore, it is up to us to fill in the shortcomings of God, and oppose what he has done, not for finding our own salvation, forgiveness, etc. but for granting God salvation and forgiveness: he must be saved from the horror of his own creation, which he is clearly powerless to change.

9. It is up to us to choose what will be - reconciliation or retribution? The retribution seems like it will lead to Nuclear War.

10. Nuclear war is committing suicide to spite God and tell him no, but we will have failed what has made us most substantially -- not being evil.


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #28673083 - 02/23/24 05:37 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

To make it absurd

We must absolve God of his sin for sending his only son to be murdered by us, by the very evil he created that has infected us, which we have yet to overcome. Only by overcoming the evil of God himself can we reconcile the horror of the past of all existence (all the innumerable terror experiences). Overcoming the Evil of God is rendering obsolete all that is Evil.

Even if God is not sorry. Especially if he is not sorry for what he has done, we must be without everything we do not want from him, namely Evil, which is choosing the blind chaos of nature still in us over conscious cognition and choosing what is truly good, pleasureful, which makes life bright and joyful. We wish for what is good and worth preserving, and we wish to end all that is not, no?


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28673113 - 02/23/24 06:03 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Since God is Evil, the only Good in the world is with humanity. If humanity fails, so will love and all that is Good.





That argument's antithesis is observing the good displayed by animals who presumably know nothing of God or morals.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28673153 - 02/23/24 06:58 PM (4 months, 23 hours ago)

But on the contrary, it is exactly the good in animals that has led to us, which has developed into something greater, which evolution has preserved, which is the feeling of love and the good itself... Loving life. What in life is loved most? This has culminated in us, and we ought to see it.
Primordial love is the bonds different organisms before us undoubtedly shared. Some proto-love. This is what has opposed the evil god has put in place. Since animals are not aware of what is good, or even of the fact that they are enjoying life as opposed to not (because they cannot reflect in such a way), they cannot be said to have the Good. They are conscious but they do not have a conscious apprehension of their states, how they come about, and how they compare to one another.

The understanding of what is good is only with humans, and therefore humans have the sole responsibility of maintaining it, otherwise the blind mechanism of nature, which is the constant absurdity of proto-love and proto-warfare, which can be seen in other primates. The good may be within animals, but those phenomena of experience are not apprehendable as under either classification: they are at the whim of randomness, and thus is the balance of good and evil in nature.
Consciousness unbalances good and evil, and our consciousness is not for the purpose of taking away what is good, but exactly taking away with is evil, because what is evil broke free and became understood first. Only with the evil premised as evil has good ever become apprehendable as itself a thing.
The chaos and horror of nature has become too great to be ignored, and its potency has dislodged itself from the equilibrium of nature. Where we recognize it, there we are to reconcile it. Anything else perturbs us, until we ignore it or overcome it. Ignoring is only a possibility for so long.


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28673176 - 02/23/24 07:12 PM (4 months, 23 hours ago)

The greater necessity is the one of fear and fleeing. Nothing is a greater necessity causing one to act. One is not gravitated necessarily so much toward what is desirable as flung away from what is undesirable, unpleasurable, evil, fearful, terror-filled. It is the potency of terror, I claim, that broke consciousness itself apart and has given birth to proto-consciousnesses which gravitate away from stressors and horror experience and, within the same stroke, toward objects of comfort and pleasure, which stand out greater and acquire a new potency as protections against that great fear, pain and horror.


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atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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Re: 7 philosophical remarks [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28673196 - 02/23/24 07:25 PM (4 months, 23 hours ago)

I mean to say the potency of terror gives birth to proto-conscious 'egos.' Experience itself becomes necessarily realized in the existence of such a phenomenon, namely of cells in such an order that they make teeth to pierce the body of another that struggles helplessly and, if observed, seems to experience pain, confusion, a struggle... It is even uncomfortable for me to watch this happen microscopically. It is exactly the element of the consciousness of pain that has the highest intensity, which I think was the necessary key to break experience apart into two poles, which Husserl called the Noema and the Noesis. The proto noema and proto noesis of a deep sea creature is most intensely, neurologically activated with fear. Fear causes things to speed up physiologically. The most numerous, intense conscious experiences, I posit, have been fear causing ones. I think the refuge from this has always been the proto-love experience, of an organism finding another organism and starting to behave strangely together and or reproduce. I think humans are the most conscious organisms. I think you have to have a certain amount of consciousness to be able to dynamically reflect and make sense. For organisms under the sea, their experience would be utterly different than ours, but we can conjecture that they have these terror filled conscious experiences. I think this is exactly why Evil is so spiritual, and why Evil is something to defeat. It is the titan Kronos.


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I the music, not the bling
atissimæ profundæque
                              veritates amandæ sunt,
                              sic ideo necesse est:
                              res maxima amanda est.
                      potus sitis bene scimus
                cum nos id adeo explet,               
              cum alto hic movet imus:
                res maxima omnis amor.

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