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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28606533 - 01/01/24 10:55 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Man this tek is fantastic! I’ve been trying to get my oats right. Soaking them, boiling them, jars, bags, and they never seemed right coming out of the PC. I thought surely some smart person on Shroomery knew a grain to water ratio that you could just mix in the jars. And sure enough. Here it is. I tried out both bags and jars with whole oats using this tek in the PC today. For the jars, I’m using the plastic Walmart lids and stick on PTFE filters. For the bags, I just scaled up four times. The equivalent of four jars. They all look great. The grains seem like they’re hydrated but are nice and loose too. I finally feel comfortable enough to inoculate these grains. Thanks for the write up!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: HazMatt]
    #28606564 - 01/02/24 12:23 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

That is awesome HazMatt, I'm glad it went so smoothly! Gotta love oats!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28612391 - 01/06/24 10:03 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

New question! I just made some bags to inject with a syringe. I scaled up the recommendations here. In one bag, I'd add 5-1/3 cups of whole oats and 700ml of water. I then sealed the bags with my bag sealer and then pressure cooked for two hours. I see a lot of people seal the bags after. Am I missing something with the bags? They look great honestly. I suppose people would leave them unsealed if inoculating with agar. Thoughts?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: HazMatt]
    #28612422 - 01/06/24 10:42 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

I think you have it right HazMatt, for agar, G2B or even LC, people don't seal their bags before PC. Also, if you don't squeeze most the air out, before PCing, there is the possibility of the bag bursting during the PC cycle. Sounds like you've got it nailed though, keep up the good work!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28612439 - 01/06/24 11:11 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

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I think you have it right HazMatt, for agar, G2B or even LC, people don't seal their bags before PC. Also, if you don't squeeze most the air out, before PCing, there is the possibility of the bag bursting during the PC cycle. Sounds like you've got it nailed though, keep up the good work!




"or even LC" If injecting with a MS or LC syringe, I see no difference, technique wise. Maybe I'm missing something.

I just did my first no prep grains of 9 qt jars and they came out great. No going back. Will be doing some bags in the near future. Great timely information!!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: MoJim]
    #28612458 - 01/06/24 11:44 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

I'm glad everything worked so well for you MoJim, congratulations!

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"or even LC" If injecting with a MS or LC syringe, I see no difference, technique wise. Maybe I'm missing something.




Some people here actually pour their LCs instead of injecting. I've not tried it myself, I prefer more control with syringes. I probably wouldn't inject MS, best to go agar or PF tek with that.

Good luck with your grows!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28612781 - 01/07/24 08:57 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Yoshi  A few questions on no-prep bags. Do you seal your bags when injecting? I've seen posts using Tyvek and unsealed methods, but I'm always worried about contams getting in while removing the Tyvek when opening the bag in my SAB. Also, since there's a large pool of water on top of the grains, it would be more like loading water balloons, maybe a little more difficult especially if unsealed. I'm leaning towards pre-sealing. Any tips?

I was originally going to do my bags the old slow way, until seeing Hazmatts post. Regardless, I'm moving forward with no-prep bags using syringe LC Tamps to oats. Should be fun!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: MoJim]
    #28612858 - 01/07/24 10:40 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

I don't use LC that often, typically I'll go G2B. I don't think I've ever presealed my bags and I don't use Tyvek. The bags come out of the PC lightly compressed and go straight from PC to FFU. I still wipe the mouth of the bag before G2B though. They are a little water balloon like when loading. Typically I'll roll the top of the bag around the body of the bag and tape in place, you can also accordion fold the top down and tape in place. If you are going to seal your bags, try to squeeze out as much air as you can before sealing. The bags will puff a little during cooking so don't pack you PC real tight. Maybe @HazMatt might be able to offer more specifics?

Good luck, let me know how it goes!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28612859 - 01/07/24 10:43 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

:popcorn:

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28613339 - 01/07/24 06:48 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

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I don't use LC that often, typically I'll go G2B. I don't think I've ever presealed my bags and I don't use Tyvek. The bags come out of the PC lightly compressed and go straight from PC to FFU. I still wipe the mouth of the bag before G2B though. They are a little water balloon like when loading. Typically I'll roll the top of the bag around the body of the bag and tape in place, you can also accordion fold the top down and tape in place. If you are going to seal your bags, try to squeeze out as much air as you can before sealing. The bags will puff a little during cooking so don't pack you PC real tight. Maybe @HazMatt might be able to offer more specifics?

Good luck, let me know how it goes!



Since I only have a SAB, it has been recommended not to go G2B. Risk of contams too high. My 23qt PC will hold a few bags so I'll try sealed and unsealed for fun. Just bought 50# bag of race horse oats, so why not:smirk:  I'll take some pics and post them.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28669072 - 02/21/24 02:04 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Below is a chart I put together for low prep methods for various grains. 




Corn?


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If you want to eat->https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541

Bag sealers are to bulky (my hood isn't that big)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28622922



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: wtfcrazymofo] * 1
    #28669077 - 02/21/24 02:12 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Who uses corn?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: Yahra]
    #28669318 - 02/21/24 08:27 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Sorry WTF, I didn't experiment w/corn, maybe in the furure?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: Yahra] * 1
    #28669327 - 02/21/24 08:33 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

I’ve recently been trying to switch to feed corn. Proper hydration can be tricky! However my ps cyans LOVE it

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28670239 - 02/21/24 07:08 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Had to back myself up a little here. Yoshi, I tried your tek with other grains but had too much mush in the bottom. I didn’t bother to experiment with it too much because I didn’t have the time too but I would love to see for you to play around with corn a little! These were inoculated with agar on 2-11. No shake besides from the initial inoculation!



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: SupaThaRipper]
    #28670420 - 02/21/24 08:41 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Those jars look good Supa! You could try weighing out an amount of dry corn, let's say 20g. Run your current prep and weigh it again before you'd load it in the PC. The difference in the 2 #s would be a starting point for some low prep experiments. Because of the kernel size and hard seed, straight forward low prep might not be enough? Might need to boil the kernels + water in the jars, with lids on, in the PC. Maybe a 15-30 min boil before adding the weight? All fun experiments!

I'd be curious what grains you used before corn that had too much mush?

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28670477 - 02/21/24 09:14 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I tried it with whole oats but my gas range is seriously heavy duty lol. On the lowest setting it can beat the hell out of anything. I should really downgrade. It would take some playing around with the corn for sure to get down your tek. I’m still trying to get it down with regular prep. These grains looked really rough out of the pc. I’m surprised they took off like this

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: SupaThaRipper]
    #28671193 - 02/22/24 10:21 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

That sucks, usually oats are pretty easy! Professional ranges are a different level compared to regular home ones for sure!

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28671212 - 02/22/24 10:46 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Has anyone tried these with unmodified lids? I'm considering giving them a go.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains [Re: CaptainPuffy]
    #28671514 - 02/22/24 02:30 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Hello Cpt. Puffy, I don't use unmodified lids but I'd guess it shouldn't make much difference. Give it a try, maybe just 1 jar if you're worried about it. Please report back with how it goes.

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