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First dose with new GF * 1
    #28667151 - 02/19/24 04:45 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I introduced my GF to musshies for the first time this past Saturday and we took 1g each. I was kinda jealous as she was seeing patterns slightly and seemed to be vibing more than me. To be honest my anxiety would not let go during most of the trip. IDK if it's because 1g for me just doesn't do anything or it was my mindset but god damn I could not get comfortable on the couch where we were cuddling. After a while I walked into a different room we could hangout in and kinda stood the remainder of the trip. My body felt like shit though and my muscles were insanely tight more tight than usual.

Anyone have any ideas what was going on? It's been about a month since I tripped last but that was a solo trip on 2g. I do typically get restless after just sitting or lying down and just need to move around or something. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but yeah I get mad anxiety and I thought I was pretty prepared mentally before this trip so I was thrown off guard for sure. I feel like a noob


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: Skizor1337] * 1
    #28667175 - 02/19/24 05:02 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Every trip is different. We put too much pressure sometimes on the experience to conform to expectations. This might be amplified when tripping with others/significant other - because now the trip not only has to meet my expectations, but also what I think their expectations might be, too.

Sometimes it might be good to cuddle, sometimes we might want to be completely alone and process a challenging feeling/thought.

Don't feel like a noob. Anyone who thinks they're a master at mushrooming is bound to get taught a harsh lesson at some point. Beginner's Mind (Noob's Mind?) is good.


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #28667180 - 02/19/24 05:06 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

shrooms are unpredictable like that

if you wanna make sure you both have a good time, take some acid


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: epilectric] * 2
    #28667185 - 02/19/24 05:09 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I think you took too little, it happens like that sometimes.


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #28667261 - 02/19/24 06:12 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Every trip is different. We put too much pressure sometimes on the experience to conform to expectations. This might be amplified when tripping with others/significant other - because now the trip not only has to meet my expectations, but also what I think their expectations might be, too.

Sometimes it might be good to cuddle, sometimes we might want to be completely alone and process a challenging feeling/thought.

Don't feel like a noob. Anyone who thinks they're a master at mushrooming is bound to get taught a harsh lesson at some point. Beginner's Mind (Noob's Mind?) is good.




I'm glad everything worked out in the end but yeah I guess maybe the pressure was there in the beginning. Overall we had a good time which was the goal lol. I think I may have a solo trip or two and then have one together again. I'm hoping the more I do them without extremely long break in between the easier it will be to do them in general


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: Skizor1337]
    #28667622 - 02/20/24 02:00 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Every trip is different. Trips cannot be controlled. Mushrooms are way stronger than you realize. They can break reality.

Also, another being present changes the vibe. It is another set of eyes watching you. You might have subconscious thoughts about your girlfriend and so you got anxiety.

Be safe. Be well. :smile:

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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: pablokabute]
    #28668332 - 02/20/24 03:10 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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I think you took too little, it happens like that sometimes.




i think it's bad advice. whenever i feel bad on mushrooms, i'm thankful i didn't take more.

more often than not, the solution is not to take more but to change the setting or the substance.


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: epilectric] * 1
    #28668382 - 02/20/24 03:42 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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I think you took too little, it happens like that sometimes.




i think it's bad advice. whenever i feel bad on mushrooms, i'm thankful i didn't take more.

more often than not, the solution is not to take more but to change the setting or the substance.





Yea we didn't need more lol. I think it's just learning how to trip with someone because I have no idea lol. I have not tripped with someone in like 4 years. We just had a bluetooth speaker with some music playing and both kinda sat there holding each other on the couch. It really is kinda hard figuring out how to trip when your used to doing it alone so so many years.


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: Skizor1337]
    #28668443 - 02/20/24 04:10 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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...To be honest my anxiety would not let go during most of the trip. IDK if it's because 1g for me just doesn't do anything or it was my mindset but god damn I could not get comfortable




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I think you took too little, it happens like that sometimes.





That was also my first impression of what was going on as I read the OP.


Low doses of mushrooms leave me in a very weird and uncomfortable place that tends to be filled with anxiety, lethargy, a sleepy/slow headspace, just feeling "off" and uncomfortable in general physically, emotionally, and cognitively....I basically feel like I'm stuck in the come up/first phase of the trip (I find mushrooms have two very distinct phases) for several hours.

I tend to have a much smoother and easier going experience when taking a "full dose", if I don't get past a certain threshold in the dosage/effects I'm just left feeling off/uncomfortable/anxious/sleepy/out of it for several hours.

For myself...with a full dose the come up is def a bit heavier, but eventually once I'm past the come up my mind/system gets "lit up" (feels like more adrenal and/or dopaminergic activity) and the aspects of anxiety, physically feeling uncomfortable, feeling lethargic/sleepy/low energy, all of those aspects fade away and basically flip into the contrary where I feel confident, my body feels euphoric, I have immense amounts of physical and mental energy, my mind feels crystal clear and sharp.

Where with low doses I'm just stuck in that uneasy & anxious & sleepy headspace along with nothing interesting really happening/no major shift in the headspace...I am not a fan of low doses at all, for myself I need to get past a threshold in the dose/effects.


All that said...I know "low doses" and "full doses" can mean totally different things to different people.



Just my 2 cents.




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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: openmind]
    #28668490 - 02/20/24 04:35 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

how much gets you past the threshold?


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: epilectric] * 3
    #28668533 - 02/20/24 05:04 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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how much gets you past the threshold?





With woodlovers like cyanescens or allenii, around 1.2g to 1.4g is enough to get me past that threshold.

With potent cubensis varieties like PE and APE, around 1.7g to 2g is enough to get me past that threshold

With "average" cubensis, which I haven't ate a long time, probably around 2.5g to get me past that threshold.


I ate around 20g to 25g of fresh/wet "Albino Trinity" mushrooms a bit over a year ago (= to about 2g to 2.5g when dry), those were the weakest mushrooms I've ate in years and that wasn't enough to get me past the threshold (that dose left me stuck in the "muck"/unpleasant aspects of a low dose like I've described)


Once I'm past that threshold the experience is so much more energetic and euphoric (after the come up)...When taking a sufficient dose there's a point in the trip for me that tends to happen around 90 to 120 minutes after dosing where it's literally like a switch being flipped, within about 30 to 60 seconds I go from feeling "mucky"/anxious/lethargic to feeling lit up with energy/euphoria/clarity...It is a very pronounced and rapid transition to what I call the "second phase" of the trip, and if I don't take enough I never enter that phase of the trip and remain "stuck in the muck".

From a pharmacological/neurochemistry perspective, I've always been curious what's going on there. I feel like there might be more adrenal or dopaminergic activity going on, and/or the "networks" & communications between different areas of the brain switch into a different "mode", once past a threshold in the dosage.





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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: openmind] * 2
    #28668539 - 02/20/24 05:09 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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...To be honest my anxiety would not let go during most of the trip. IDK if it's because 1g for me just doesn't do anything or it was my mindset but god damn I could not get comfortable




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I think you took too little, it happens like that sometimes.





That was also my first impression of what was going on as I read the OP.


Low doses of mushrooms leave me in a very weird and uncomfortable place that tends to be filled with anxiety, lethargy, a sleepy/slow headspace, just feeling "off" and uncomfortable in general physically, emotionally, and cognitively....I basically feel like I'm stuck in the come up/first phase of the trip (I find mushrooms have two very distinct phases) for several hours.

I tend to have a much smoother and easier going experience when taking a "full dose", if I don't get past a certain threshold in the dosage/effects I'm just left feeling off/uncomfortable/anxious/sleepy/out of it for several hours.

For myself...with a full dose the come up is def a bit heavier, but eventually once I'm past the come up my mind/system gets "lit up" (feels like more adrenal and/or dopaminergic activity) and the aspects of anxiety, physically feeling uncomfortable, feeling lethargic/sleepy/low energy, all of those aspects fade away and basically flip into the contrary where I feel confident, my body feels euphoric, I have immense amounts of physical and mental energy, my mind feels crystal clear and sharp.

Where with low doses I'm just stuck in that uneasy & anxious & sleepy headspace along with nothing interesting really happening/no major shift in the headspace...I am not a fan of low doses at all, for myself I need to get past a threshold in the dose/effects.


All that said...I know "low doses" and "full doses" can mean totally different things to different people.



Just my 2 cents.




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I totally feel that !!

For me personally 2g minimum will put me into a solid full dose experience as you mentioned above.
My all time favorite dose has been and will always probably be 2.5gs because it's the perfect balance IMO.

I'm gonna guess my GF was having a mmuch better time because she's never tripped before so everything is new. It was for me 13 years ago lol but I have a couple hundred trips under my belt so it's not gonna bring me that intensity at 1gram.

Now I'm hopping to just slowly increase the dose with her and gradually get to 2g and 2.5g with .5 increments

I'm still only 6 months into this relationship so lots of unanswered questions in my head overall but I have high hopes. I love her but want to truly connect with her on a deeper level. I personally believe taking some solo trips of my preferred dose will help tremendously when it comes to familiarity but I'll put that side quest to the test myself. 

Does anyone else her trip with their significat other? If so what do you two do together for 4hrs? :strokebeard:


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: openmind]
    #28668599 - 02/20/24 06:01 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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...To be honest my anxiety would not let go during most of the trip. IDK if it's because 1g for me just doesn't do anything or it was my mindset but god damn I could not get comfortable




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pablokabute said:
I think you took too little, it happens like that sometimes.





That was also my first impression of what was going on as I read the OP.


Low doses of mushrooms leave me in a very weird and uncomfortable place that tends to be filled with anxiety, lethargy, a sleepy/slow headspace, just feeling "off" and uncomfortable in general physically, emotionally, and cognitively....I basically feel like I'm stuck in the come up/first phase of the trip (I find mushrooms have two very distinct phases) for several hours.

I tend to have a much smoother and easier going experience when taking a "full dose", if I don't get past a certain threshold in the dosage/effects I'm just left feeling off/uncomfortable/anxious/sleepy/out of it for several hours.

For myself...with a full dose the come up is def a bit heavier, but eventually once I'm past the come up my mind/system gets "lit up" (feels like more adrenal and/or dopaminergic activity) and the aspects of anxiety, physically feeling uncomfortable, feeling lethargic/sleepy/low energy, all of those aspects fade away and basically flip into the contrary where I feel confident, my body feels euphoric, I have immense amounts of physical and mental energy, my mind feels crystal clear and sharp.

Where with low doses I'm just stuck in that uneasy & anxious & sleepy headspace along with nothing interesting really happening/no major shift in the headspace...I am not a fan of low doses at all, for myself I need to get past a threshold in the dose/effects.


All that said...I know "low doses" and "full doses" can mean totally different things to different people.



Just my 2 cents.




-OM

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This is what Im trying to point out but Im too lazy to elaborate and you clearly have a lot of time in your hands. Haha. but yea.


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: openmind]
    #28668796 - 02/20/24 08:06 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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how much gets you past the threshold?





With woodlovers like cyanescens or allenii, around 1.2g to 1.4g is enough to get me past that threshold.

With potent cubensis varieties like PE and APE, around 1.7g to 2g is enough to get me past that threshold

With "average" cubensis, which I haven't ate a long time, probably around 2.5g to get me past that threshold.


I ate around 20g to 25g of fresh/wet "Albino Trinity" mushrooms a bit over a year ago (= to about 2g to 2.5g when dry), those were the weakest mushrooms I've ate in years and that wasn't enough to get me past the threshold (that dose left me stuck in the "muck"/unpleasant aspects of a low dose like I've described)


Once I'm past that threshold the experience is so much more energetic and euphoric (after the come up)...When taking a sufficient dose there's a point in the trip for me that tends to happen around 90 to 120 minutes after dosing where it's literally like a switch being flipped, within about 30 to 60 seconds I go from feeling "mucky"/anxious/lethargic to feeling lit up with energy/euphoria/clarity...It is a very pronounced and rapid transition to what I call the "second phase" of the trip, and if I don't take enough I never enter that phase of the trip and remain "stuck in the muck".

From a pharmacological/neurochemistry perspective, I've always been curious what's going on there. I feel like there might be more adrenal or dopaminergic activity going on, and/or the "networks" & communications between different areas of the brain switch into a different "mode", once past a threshold in the dosage.





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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: openmind]
    #28669852 - 02/21/24 02:25 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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Once I'm past that threshold the experience is so much more energetic and euphoric (after the come up)...When taking a sufficient dose there's a point in the trip for me that tends to happen around 90 to 120 minutes after dosing where it's literally like a switch being flipped, within about 30 to 60 seconds I go from feeling "mucky"/anxious/lethargic to feeling lit up with energy/euphoria/clarity...It is a very pronounced and rapid transition to what I call the "second phase" of the trip, and if I don't take enough I never enter that phase of the trip and remain "stuck in the muck".

From a pharmacological/neurochemistry perspective, I've always been curious what's going on there. I feel like there might be more adrenal or dopaminergic activity going on, and/or the "networks" & communications between different areas of the brain switch into a different "mode", once past a threshold in the dosage.





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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: Skizor1337]
    #28669872 - 02/21/24 02:36 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

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I'm still only 6 months into this relationship so lots of unanswered questions in my head overall but I have high hopes. I love her but want to truly connect with her on a deeper level. I personally believe taking some solo trips of my preferred dose will help tremendously when it comes to familiarity but I'll put that side quest to the test myself. 

Does anyone else her trip with their significat other? If so what do you two do together for 4hrs? :strokebeard:




interesting point. maybe your unanswered questions manifested in a physical sense making you feel restless. as others said before - just go with the flow and embrace it ^^

as for your question, i have no current experiences to refer to but from past experiences and imagination, i would say just maybe not stick together all the time. mushrooms are an alone experience for many (mckenna and all) and this aspect should be accounted for when relationship tripping :smile: plan in a solo hour for each of you


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: epilectric] * 1
    #28671336 - 02/22/24 12:38 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Low dose is usually a recipe for disappointment in my experience.  I wrote about one good low dose experience on here, but most of my others have been neutral or poor.  The constant

"are they kicking in yet/should I have taken more/is it too late to take more/am I feeling ok/is my supply dwindling away with these small doses/am I seeing any visuals/what should I do with myself?"

gets in the way of the experience.  A higher dose where I feel it coming on strong takes that uncertainty out of the equation and I can lean into it and let go. 

Personally, I don't take less than 2g anymore unless offered some in passing at a concert or something where I'll pop a couple little pieces and smoke a bowl. Like if the focus of the day is doing mushrooms, I'll take no less than 2g.  Otherwise I get symptoms kind of like yours.


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Re: First dose with new GF [Re: shed light]
    #28671935 - 02/22/24 08:36 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Low dose is usually a recipe for disappointment in my experience.  I wrote about one good low dose experience on here, but most of my others have been neutral or poor.  The constant

"are they kicking in yet/should I have taken more/is it too late to take more/am I feeling ok/is my supply dwindling away with these small doses/am I seeing any visuals/what should I do with myself?"

gets in the way of the experience.  A higher dose where I feel it coming on strong takes that uncertainty out of the equation and I can lean into it and let go. 

Personally, I don't take less than 2g anymore unless offered some in passing at a concert or something where I'll pop a couple little pieces and smoke a bowl. Like if the focus of the day is doing mushrooms, I'll take no less than 2g.  Otherwise I get symptoms kind of like yours.




Yea I think I just can't enjoy lower doses unless I was going to go take a bike ride or something. Last summer I had a few 1g and 2g doses and left my house and came back a few hours later fucking vibing. Winter is a lot harder because I'm not one to sit outside especially where I live right now lol.


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