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OfflineGDorn
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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: SirPsycho]
    #27842410 - 06/29/22 01:44 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Capsules should do the trick, right? Those are air tight AFAIK.




The paper says they stored the samples in ziplock bags.  Those are also "air tight" the same way that capsules are, which is to say diffusion still happens.

Temperature doesn't matter, and over a long enough period oxygen will diffuse through just about anything.  The best option, if you've already powdered them, is to vacuum-seal the powder in a thick vacuum bag, with an oxygen absorber packet and a desiccant packet in the bag.  Then put the bag in a cool, dry, dark place and don't disturb it.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: GDorn]
    #28666664 - 02/19/24 10:15 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

I didn't read all of this, but it's an interesting study on psilocybin and its levels with different methods (e.g. fresh, dried, and powdered). It looks like they're claiming psilocybin is most concentrated in the caps, and is recorded in higher percentages when mushrooms are dried at room temperature in a dark setting.

https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/PREVENTIONWELLNESS/Documents/Stability%20of%20Psilocybin%20and%20Analogs.pdf

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: bullethead454]
    #28666700 - 02/19/24 11:08 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

18 year old thread. Good job damnit.


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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: bullethead454]
    #28666828 - 02/19/24 12:25 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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bullethead454 said:
I didn't read all of this, but it's an interesting study on psilocybin and its levels with different methods (e.g. fresh, dried, and powdered). It looks like they're claiming psilocybin is most concentrated in the caps, and is recorded in higher percentages when mushrooms are dried at room temperature in a dark setting.

https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/PREVENTIONWELLNESS/Documents/Stability%20of%20Psilocybin%20and%20Analogs.pdf



i clicked this link but nothing happened for me


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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: chris77]
    #28666890 - 02/19/24 01:19 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

Except that you IP address has been logged by Oregonean government.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Yahra]
    #28667012 - 02/19/24 02:50 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

why would somebody post a link like that??


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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Screwup]
    #28667867 - 02/20/24 08:47 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

The last reply I saw was in 2022. So, even if it started a long time ago, there was "recent" activity.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: bullethead454]
    #28667873 - 02/20/24 08:51 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

We have seen that article before and multiple members proved the information was skewed at best.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: chris77]
    #28667875 - 02/20/24 08:52 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)
Log in to view attachment

I tried clicking the link, and it added some extra string to the URL.

The actual URL is as it looks in the link "https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/PREVENTIONWELLNESS/Documents/Stability%20of%20Psilocybin%20and%20Analogs.pdf"

However, when I click the link on here for some reason it's adding "https://www.mind-media.com/go.php?" to the beginning of the URL; you can just remove it to find the document, or I can download it and post it here, but I feel like that's not a good idea either.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28667880 - 02/20/24 08:54 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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DERRAYLD said:
We have seen that article before and multiple members proved the information was skewed at best.




Even  more reason for me not to even post on this forum. I always get berated for my genuine effort to be helpful or get useful information.

Getting information on here is like pulling teeth.

Edited by bullethead454 (02/20/24 08:56 AM)

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Yahra]
    #28667892 - 02/20/24 08:59 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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Except that you IP address has been logged by Oregonean government.




I assume you don't use a VPN when accessing information about this type of stuff. It wouldn't matter if they had your IP or not, it would be irrelevant.

However, that leaves me to assume that you access this site without a VPN, which means whoever has access to the logs here could do the same.

Edited by bullethead454 (02/20/24 09:01 AM)

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: Screwup]
    #28667906 - 02/20/24 09:12 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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Screwup said:
18 year old thread. Good job damnit.




I tend to think that using existing threads is better than creating a bunch of new ones. You'd complain about that too.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: bullethead454] * 1
    #28667910 - 02/20/24 09:14 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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DERRAYLD said:
We have seen that article before and multiple members proved the information was skewed at best.




Even  more reason for me not to even post on this forum. I always get berated for my genuine effort to be helpful or get useful information.

Getting information on here is like pulling teeth.




I'm not sure what the issue was with my statement, do you want me to go find the thread for you?

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28667960 - 02/20/24 10:01 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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DERRAYLD said:
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bullethead454 said:
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DERRAYLD said:
We have seen that article before and multiple members proved the information was skewed at best.




Even  more reason for me not to even post on this forum. I always get berated for my genuine effort to be helpful or get useful information.

Getting information on here is like pulling teeth.




I'm not sure what the issue was with my statement, do you want me to go find the thread for you?




I appreciate your response about the article and letting me know it is not completely accurate, but I thought you could have provided information or threads that supported the counterargument. You don't have to do anything. I can just keep scouring the forum and Internet.

My main goal was just to figure out how to best dry mushrooms, and I already know most people here would say dehydrator. I haven't gotten one yet, because I'm in-between grows and the yield I got from the current/last grow wasn't enough to justify the purchase right now.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: bullethead454]
    #28667967 - 02/20/24 10:06 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

Dehydrators are perfect for drying, hot and fast.
I've dried in dark rooms with fans and moisture removers, it's never going to achieve the correct drying and you'll end up with soft mushrooms.

Drying is one of the more important aspects of mushrooms.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28668009 - 02/20/24 10:50 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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DERRAYLD said:
Dehydrators are perfect for drying, hot and fast.
I've dried in dark rooms with fans and moisture removers, it's never going to achieve the correct drying and you'll end up with soft mushrooms.

Drying is one of the more important aspects of mushrooms.





Right now I'm using hot air and a heat lamp, and they're getting "cracker dry" within a day usually. The temp is around 100F combined.

My oven goes to 170F lowest, and I didn't want to risk it. Although, I think someone said just leave the oven vented and point a fan into the oven to blow air around. Would the convection option that uses a fan be similar? How long should I dry them for, roughly, in the oven?

Edited by bullethead454 (02/20/24 11:01 AM)

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: bullethead454]
    #28668078 - 02/20/24 11:56 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

Generally speaking (and within reason), chemical reactions happen faster in warmer conditions and slower in colder conditions. Even if we accept that degradation is primarily  result of oxydation… Oxydation is a chemical reaction, and like most chemical reactions, the kinetics depend on temperature.

Maybe the effect of temperature is so minor that it’s not worth worrying about, but I still suspect that a sample stored with minimal moisture and minimal oxygen exposure PLUS cold temperature would likely last longer than one stored in the same container at ambient temp.

Just some food for thought - not trying to fan the flames or anything.

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Re: what temperature does Psilocybin break down ? [Re: SonomaFungi_707]
    #28668090 - 02/20/24 12:07 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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SonomaFungi_707 said:
Generally speaking (and within reason), chemical reactions happen faster in warmer conditions and slower in colder conditions. Even if we accept that degradation is primarily  result of oxydation… Oxydation is a chemical reaction, and like most chemical reactions, the kinetics depend on temperature.

Maybe the effect of temperature is so minor that it’s not worth worrying about, but I still suspect that a sample stored with minimal moisture and minimal oxygen exposure PLUS cold temperature would likely last longer than one stored in the same container at ambient temp.

Just some food for thought - not trying to fan the flames or anything.




I mean, that makes sense since cellular metabolism slows the colder it gets. Maybe that's why they keep hospitals colder than normal, but I see your point.

When it comes to oxygen exposure, I worry that since I have a fan on them that I'm degrading them terribly. Does that mean that when storing them they should be in airtight containers/bags and out of warmer temps?

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