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Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? * 1
    #28667188 - 02/19/24 05:14 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Do enthgeogens bring you into contact with the Divine Within in your experience?

Do you reach inner realms you would consider sacred, timeless, transcendant, or does it stay relatively mundane for you?

Would you wish it did or didn't?


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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: Asante]
    #28667334 - 02/19/24 07:16 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

It certainly seems like that sometimes. It’s definitely a feeling of creation being aware of itself, that we are all a physical manifestation of that. This always changing, never ending play of form. I marvel at the immensity, intricacy, and splendors of it all and feel simultaneous feelings of awe, humility, love and a sense of purpose. Somehow so small yet so important. I don’t know if it’s truly a divine experience I’m having on these medicines, or my subconscious using metaphors that really hit home with me… but I’m grateful either way.

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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: Asante] * 2
    #28667365 - 02/19/24 07:52 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

No.

On mushrooms, at high doses, I can get to a place that feels special personally for me, but it's more like being in touch with myself, my personality, my memories, my childhood, and my hopes and desires, past and future. But it's all of that on a more emotional, intuitive, hallucinatory sort of level. Like everything amplified, chopped up, repeating, chaotic.

Very grounding, but deeply personal, not divine. It has a certain strange quality to it, like revealing hidden emotional connections, or reviving some part of the past, maybe reviving something inside me. Almost as if everything is reduced to pure sensation and amplified, or colors and memories and emotions are unified, like synesthesia maybe but with everything all at once. Like there is no boundary between sight, hearing, emotion, and memory, and they're all firing at once, emotion and memory coming with color and vice versa. Unusual emotions too, things I never normally feel.

I've experienced a lot of crazy stuff on psychedelics, but never anything I'd consider divine.

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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: nooneman]
    #28667382 - 02/19/24 08:21 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Not with mushrooms but I have had some pretty profound experiences with 5-MeO-DMT. I’d elaborate but I find it difficult to put into words without it sounding like a bunch of new age verbiage.

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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28667408 - 02/19/24 08:50 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Definitely..

Mostly with amanita muscaria and mescaline cactus I go to a place I can only describe as the melting pot of religion. It feels eternal, intensely spiritual, a place of divine inspiration.

Psilocybin mushrooms I feel are outside of that, older than religion or spirituality, they take you to the darkness, to the mystery, that which no one knows and only fools dare to falsely purport that they know.

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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28667435 - 02/19/24 09:26 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I like the story Ram Dass tells of Maharajji taking LSD and his thoughts about it.

He said, “It’s useful. Not the true Samadhi, but it’s useful.” Later, people asked him if they should use it. He said, “If you were in a cool place, and you were feeling much peace, and you were alone, and your mind has turned toward God, you could use it. It would allow you to come in and have an experience with the spirit, darshan, but you could only stay two hours, and then you have to leave it. It would be much better to become the spirit, than to just visit it.”

It seems relatable to my own thoughts taking mushrooms for the first time and what I’ve experienced personally along my life journey using other methods of reaching deep inner states of consciousness. I do find meditation more sustainable for that type of ‘experience’ but a dip in the entheogenic pool every once in a while is a fun reminder!

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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: ShiroiTora] * 2
    #28667436 - 02/19/24 09:27 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Yes, partly.
You need to consider things divine anyway, or they never will be perceived that way regardless of dosage.

All you need to do, really, is learn to pay attention. To reflect with clarity. The rest is nature.


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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #28667470 - 02/19/24 10:03 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Yes, entheogens certainly helped opening the door to divinity, which wasn't even my intention at that time. This door has never completely closed ever since I had my first deep psychedelic experience. Remnants of what I experienced back then always stayed with me like some kind of beautiful background noise.


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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: Fridgedoor] * 2
    #28667969 - 02/20/24 10:08 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I agree with everyone above who says "yes." It is life changing. You really gotta take psychedelics to understand Plato and art and life and philosophy and Hinduism and Buddhism and Gnosticism. It is the base-reality. It all feels divine to me. But some trips are hell and torture.

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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: Soul Flight] * 1
    #28668010 - 02/20/24 10:52 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Speaking as someone who thought the spiritual/religious was bs and didn't get into Psychedelics for that reason, yet stumbled upon that dimension anyways, yes, Entheogens can allow you to connect to and understand the Divine within, and so much more, particularly with Ayahuasca. I think most people's issue is in how they approach/work with/take an Entheogen, but also that they don't really thoroughly explore them. Ayahuasca at least, you can take whenever, it has no tolerance, it always works so long as it's properly dosed, which allows you to practice with it and explore yourself and those states in a more regular way like one would pursue any other form of practice. Contrary to that, people often just take mushrooms or LSD at the very most like once a week, maybe twice a month, some people have tried taking them a few times a week or as long as it continues to work, but because of tolerance, those other Entheogens, from my understanding, can be ineffective when dosed regularly. Ayahuasca though, always works, and as such you can practice with it and fully explore this side of things, and things just unfold/unravel as you go along, and even if you step away for a long while and then take it again, you start back where you left off, and things just continue on. So with Ayahuasca at least, it's not like you "get the message and then hang up the phone", as Dennis McKenna said, there is no one message, Ayahuasca is not an answering machine, it's more like a therapist, one in which you continue to have an ongoing dialog/relationship with.

For many people, Entheogens are nothing more than an interesting and mind-bending fling, for some others, Entheogens are a spiritual practice and medicine. It's all about how you use it.


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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28668030 - 02/20/24 11:10 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

(i) might say they helped make things which already were become more apparent -and- in so doing, also helped to see how certain things which obviously seemed to be were in fact something naturally illusory in nature, or 'absent' ~ in the shared awakening of the shared world of things. 
I maybe prefer the word 'pure mind' to that oh holy or divine, but who cares?  They are... just words.  Sure, they're important! Kind of, but, seeing more than just mere appearances ~ is just as important, if not more so, imhoe.

While I wouldn't necessarily limit 'divine' to the inside only either.  It's more like, everything can be viewed without front or back, without centre or perimeter, without the usual heuristic shortcuts, dichotomous imputations, and well...if you're alive then one's naturally connected with everything by default.  In that sense, its ordinary, but in that sense, it's also special or 'divine'.

Whatever can be experienced is suffused with awareness, whether it be 'something seemingly otherly' than 'ordinariness' -ie-
considered different, or, even if couched in terms like:

The natural/supernatural/divine/holy/mystical/spiritual/astral/alien/weird/strange ~ it all comes with the territory, so to speak...
Whatever it may seem as, how can't it be something of an inherited territory, so to speak?

Whatever this place is *points out everywhere all at once forever* it seems home to all yet owned by no one in particular except as on a unified front as shared by all potential and actual inhabitants . (so to speak)

Not a moment has gone by ever once, and yet, life's so far never without at least some familiar thread with which to follow the same as it changes into the different as if by some paradoxical means, in that, whatever seems to be seemingly is constantly changing.

In my infinitesimally limited experience? 
Life's about as magical as it gets, and, no matter what, its as natural as it gets, too. Its headier than magic, headier than technology...its natural for goodness sake!  :cheers:

Everything already always changing ~ transforming right before one's eyes while even the eyes themselves change with what's 'being' and 'being seen' too.  (which can be posited linguistically and or viewed in an endless number of ways...as oneness, as not oneness, yet not twoness, etc, etc x 1,00000999999)

It's wild, crazy, and the most primal kind of a trip, for sure! On one hand everything can make perfect sense, on another it can make nonsense, and in the middle of the two it just senses!  Goodness gracious.... Overall, life as a sentient being, as human, is insanely fascinating and is never not interesting ~ even all the suffering, and, all the rest of whatever's been left out by this one post too... t'sall pretty gnarly -but- in a truly great kind of a way. :mushroom2:

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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28668324 - 02/20/24 03:06 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

i draw "divine" feelings mainly from vivid childhood experiences. psychedelics draw me back there and help me shape, structurise, solidify and integrate these states of mind.


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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: epilectric]
    #28668350 - 02/20/24 03:21 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Aging, and with it ~ the changing of forms, man.

Adulthood is almost like if childhood
was pretending it wasn't just now imagining itself otherwise.
... almost... 
But, not quite that either though. :lol:


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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28668355 - 02/20/24 03:23 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

hmm sounds complicated but for me, childhood is authentic, and i want to be/live as authentic as possible, so childhood, and psychedelics for that matter, are a source of inspiration


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Re: Do entheogens bring you in contact with the Divine Within? [Re: epilectric] * 1
    #28668370 - 02/20/24 03:34 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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