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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human] * 5
    #28666719 - 02/19/24 11:21 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Let the flower show begin


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #28666741 - 02/19/24 11:31 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Let the flower show begin





That pic has just inspired me to find last years seeds and get them ready to germ . Wished I lived somewhere I could just grow straight in the ground like yourself but sunny England it is :grin:

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #28666816 - 02/19/24 12:17 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Let the flower show begin





Damn it Ferrel, that's a beautiful show they're putting on, i swear they talk to each other. Still too early in Oklahoma. But just gave mine their first drink inside. :peyotl:

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: mandrax360] * 1
    #28666896 - 02/19/24 01:25 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Let the flower show begin





That pic has just inspired me to find last years seeds and get them ready to germ . Wished I lived somewhere I could just grow straight in the ground like yourself but sunny England it is :grin:



England. Yikes! Im sure you can grow some goodies inside


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Nansuhwikai]
    #28667091 - 02/19/24 04:01 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Let the flower show begin





Damn it Ferrel, that's a beautiful show they're putting on, i swear they talk to each other. Still too early in Oklahoma. But just gave mine their first drink inside. :peyotl:




How long was that time lapse? Haven't had any of my grafts flower and they're the same size as that

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Griye] * 3
    #28667279 - 02/19/24 06:28 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

This cactus...

Currently looks like this...

It flowers now!

This one had a fungal problem and basically stopped growing for awhile. I think it might be cresting from the damage?


Some seedlings that probably should have been transplanted already. It is cool how they kind of look like a miniature version of some of the wild habitat cluster pictures I've seen.


This mom flowers a lot.

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: hummingbird] * 1
    #28668452 - 02/20/24 04:13 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Damn, that does look like it's cresting, so lucky. I read somewhere once that infections are a common cause of cresting, but I have no idea why. Genetic code is edited maybe?

I was getting envious of everyone's flowers so went to check on my cacti and it looks like one of my grafted lophs is getting ready to flower. There is a long tuft of hair coming out of the apical meristem that looks just like pics I've seen of flowering. Funnily enough it's on one I suspect of being a fricii, but I'm happy because this will let me know definitively.

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Griye]
    #28668496 - 02/20/24 04:39 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Let the flower show begin





Damn it Ferrel, that's a beautiful show they're putting on, i swear they talk to each other. Still too early in Oklahoma. But just gave mine their first drink inside. :peyotl:




How long was that time lapse? Haven't had any of my grafts flower and they're the same size as that




I can't remember who made that gif but it was made by the person who grew it out. I think that is a year time-lapse.

Edit: it Was Mostly_Harmless in the 2012/2013 Grafting Competition

Edited by Nansuhwikai (02/20/24 04:41 PM)

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Griye] * 1
    #28668581 - 02/20/24 05:45 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Damn, that does look like it's cresting, so lucky. I read somewhere once that infections are a common cause of cresting, but I have no idea why. Genetic code is edited maybe?

I was getting envious of everyone's flowers so went to check on my cacti and it looks like one of my grafted lophs is getting ready to flower. There is a long tuft of hair coming out of the apical meristem that looks just like pics I've seen of flowering. Funnily enough it's on one I suspect of being a fricii, but I'm happy because this will let me know definitively.





I watched a youtube cactus video where the guy was saying people will take a hot nail and burn the center of a cactus, which terminates normal growth and often causes cresting. I'm not sure if the fungal infection messes with the genes, or it's just the damage that can lead to cresting. I'm curious to see what ends up happening with that one.

You are right, once there's fluff coming out of the center, flowers are soon to follow. Congrats!

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: hummingbird] * 1
    #28668822 - 02/20/24 08:27 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Damn, that does look like it's cresting, so lucky. I read somewhere once that infections are a common cause of cresting, but I have no idea why. Genetic code is edited maybe?

I was getting envious of everyone's flowers so went to check on my cacti and it looks like one of my grafted lophs is getting ready to flower. There is a long tuft of hair coming out of the apical meristem that looks just like pics I've seen of flowering. Funnily enough it's on one I suspect of being a fricii, but I'm happy because this will let me know definitively.





I watched a youtube cactus video where the guy was saying people will take a hot nail and burn the center of a cactus, which terminates normal growth and often causes cresting. I'm not sure if the fungal infection messes with the genes, or it's just the damage that can lead to cresting. I'm curious to see what ends up happening with that one.

You are right, once there's fluff coming out of the center, flowers are soon to follow. Congrats!




Hey what's up hummingbird!  Yeah that is my experience too, specifically that damage to that meristem tissue (the newest, usually center-most part of the cactus) results in a response.  For me the response is usually pupping rather than cresting but I'm sure both can happen.  What always does happen though is that the cactus refocuses its effort into something other than the damaged "new" tissue and redirects that effort.

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: hummingbird]
    #28669539 - 02/21/24 10:40 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I think I might try that hot nail technique on a couple of mine, would love to have some crests and would also like to test that method

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Griye] * 1
    #28670324 - 02/21/24 07:52 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

Hey Mycoplex! That's been my personal experience too actually. I couldn't find the video I saw awhile back when I looked up the hot nail technique. All the people doing it were talking about using it to cause pupping. So you might get lucky and get a crest, but are more likely to get pups from it.

I honestly couldn't bring myself to burn my cactus with a hot nail or drill the center or whatever, but it's an interesting approach that people definitely use.


The top pic in my post up a little was one that had pest damage to the meristem, and one new pup grew out of the center and kind of ate the lower portion as it grew. Now it just looks normal.

What's weird is the damage to the one that looks like it might crest was off to one side more. When it started growing again, it grew all the way around until it got to the damaged side. Then it started growing up instead of out and looking more like a zipper.

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: hummingbird]
    #28671503 - 02/22/24 02:26 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Oh ok, that makes sense that using the nail to destroy the apical meristem would cause pupping. I guess that reinforces the idea that infections cause mutations. I wonder if I could purposefully infect some lophs to see what happens. I wonder what I would infect them with and how

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Nansuhwikai]
    #28671805 - 02/22/24 06:50 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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hummingbird said:
This cactus...

Currently looks like this...

It flowers now!

This one had a fungal problem and basically stopped growing for awhile. I think it might be cresting from the damage?


Some seedlings that probably should have been transplanted already. It is cool how they kind of look like a miniature version of some of the wild habitat cluster pictures I've seen.


This mom flowers a lot.





Man that is an enviable collection. Looks like you got a crest going. Is that what happened? Was it damage? I hear it induces cresting

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Let the flower show begin





Damn it Ferrel, that's a beautiful show they're putting on, i swear they talk to each other. Still too early in Oklahoma. But just gave mine their first drink inside. :peyotl:




How long was that time lapse? Haven't had any of my grafts flower and they're the same size as that




I can't remember who made that gif but it was made by the person who grew it out. I think that is a year time-lapse.

Edit: it Was Mostly_Harmless in the 2012/2013 Grafting Competition




I remember him well/ you leave and always wonder what happened to wveryone/ thats definitley his. Great guy i used to interact frequently with


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: hummingbird] * 1
    #28671855 - 02/22/24 07:41 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Damn, that does look like it's cresting, so lucky. I read somewhere once that infections are a common cause of cresting, but I have no idea why. Genetic code is edited maybe?

I was getting envious of everyone's flowers so went to check on my cacti and it looks like one of my grafted lophs is getting ready to flower. There is a long tuft of hair coming out of the apical meristem that looks just like pics I've seen of flowering. Funnily enough it's on one I suspect of being a fricii, but I'm happy because this will let me know definitively.





I watched a youtube cactus video where the guy was saying people will take a hot nail and burn the center of a cactus, which terminates normal growth and often causes cresting. I'm not sure if the fungal infection messes with the genes, or it's just the damage that can lead to cresting. I'm curious to see what ends up happening with that one.

You are right, once there's fluff coming out of the center, flowers are soon to follow. Congrats!




You that is not something i wouldnt do. It think its just damage then when it comes out its trying reorientate itself. Ive read it but its crazy

2 examples from my garden



Both damaged


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #28672031 - 02/22/24 09:37 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Hey Ferrel, thanks! That's a really nice pelecyphora. Looks almost like it has shark teeth armor. Is that a three rib astrophytum seedling below that one?


Yeah, the crest looking one got damage that looked a lot like the middle one in the top right pic. It stopped growing for awhile then went crazy.

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: hummingbird]
    #28672551 - 02/23/24 09:50 AM (4 months, 18 hours ago)

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Hey Ferrel, thanks! That's a really nice pelecyphora. Looks almost like it has shark teeth armor. Is that a three rib astrophytum seedling below that one?


Yeah, the crest looking one got damage that looked a lot like the middle one in the top right pic. It stopped growing for awhile then went crazy.




Pelecyphora and those myriostigmas come out like weeds every year. I dont harvest the seed thats why.

Man that would be awesome if it really goes crested


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #28673239 - 02/23/24 08:00 PM (4 months, 8 hours ago)

Some cool weeds if you ask me.

A crest would be awesome, we'll see what happens.

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: hummingbird] * 3
    #28673485 - 02/23/24 11:43 PM (4 months, 4 hours ago)

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Some cool weeds if you ask me.

A crest would be awesome, we'll see what happens.




I hope it happens for you bro

Check these guys out. Estaciion catorce


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #28675389 - 02/25/24 11:32 AM (3 months, 29 days ago)

Ever see an Echinocereus reichwnbachiii birth a Lophophora? Have no idea how this happened but its been happening for quite some time in the garden


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