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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blufuut180] * 1
    #28667054 - 02/19/24 03:39 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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This does not answer my question. I have found that woodchips are pretty bad for basically all gourmet species, they take up space and are barely colonized by the time the bag is cashed. I am just curious as to why woodchips are preferred when dealing with actives, like longer colonization times? There has to be a reason other than they just like wood.




Look back through the search function and see if you can find anyone growing woodloving actives on saw dust successfully and report back.  Woodchip has been the go to cause it works. 
Feel free to try saw dust and come back and post your results, I would love for it to work out for you . You may get it to work but I'm sure it won't be as successful as woodchip.  I've only ever grown outdoor so you might just prove me wrong :shrug:
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: mandrax360] * 1
    #28667064 - 02/19/24 03:47 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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There has to be a reason other than they just like wood.




They just like wood.

You're new here so I'm just going to lay it out at the start, there's next to no crossover with "gourmet" mushrooms and wood loving psilocybes... so that experience of yours doesn't translate to this page or active woodlovers.

You have hundreds and hundreds of pages of people growing woodlovers right here in this thread.  Start reviewing the thread and see what people have done to successfully grow woodloving psilocybes.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28667086 - 02/19/24 03:59 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I grew oysters on sawdust years ago mainly because it was free. It doesn't also last long outdoors,  and WL often sit season long so hardwood is a better choice in my opinion


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
    #28667216 - 02/19/24 05:31 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I transferred from germ plates yesterday and am curious if there's anything I should be looking for on agar aside from speed?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tree frog] * 3
    #28667231 - 02/19/24 05:48 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Look for healthy overall growth.  Like with cubes, it's almost impossible to tell how the culture will fruit until it fruits.  The problem is that can take a year or two.  My advice would be to not gamble on one single culture, make A LOT of transfers, put different cultures to grain, and put that different spawn to chips.  When you get good fruits, clone them or spore print them and repeat the cycle.

Also, once you get a good culture all you need to do is grab a chunk of myc and throw it in more chips.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28667309 - 02/19/24 06:54 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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A self ban ensures that a person cannot log back in and forces a break.  We all know you're superior to everyone else, you don't have to brag about it in every other post.




What is it with y'all, when did you all get start getting so damn offended at everything? It's not being "superior" to be confused why people can't just not log in when they take a break. That's what every normal emotionally stable person would do, including the VAST majority of members on this site... This site is NOT crack cocaine...

I don't think I'm superior to anyone, and my words are not to blame for anyone's self-esteem issues. I've not directly insulted anyone here since I've been back, yet you and LT have directly insulted me when I didn't say a damn thing about either one of you. I have a right to my opinion without being directly insulted for disagreeing with yours.

If you have a problem with my opinion, then debate me about it if you feel the necessity and I might change my mind. You and I have done that several times without issue... But you can keep your passive-aggressive personal insults to yourself. There are group rules about that shit, and you of all people should know that. I am very particular not to make personal insults to anyone here, so I expect the same respect. Especially since it's the rules...



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 1
    #28667335 - 02/19/24 07:18 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Blufuut180 said:
This does not answer my question. I have found that woodchips are pretty bad for basically all gourmet species, they take up space and are barely colonized by the time the bag is cashed. I am just curious as to why woodchips are preferred when dealing with actives, like longer colonization times? There has to be a reason other than they just like wood.




The main difference is whether you're growing indoors or outdoors. I don't have experience growing active WL's indoors, so if that's what you're asking about others would have to answer that. But the main reason chips are used for outdoor WL's (whether active or edible) is the beds are meant to last years, not weeks. That's why we use the denser chips that take longer to decompose. Also, sawdust holds too much water to be a viable option outdoors, regardless of species.

It is not true that what you have learned growing edibles doesn't apply to active WL's. And sawdust IS wood, it just colonizes faster which is why it's used for indoor edible cultivation. There are relatively no difference between active WL's and other edible species that natural grow in forest litter (leaves, twigs, etc). It just takes time to learn the slight nuanced differences between species, same as learning the difference between growing outdoor beds of King Stropharia or Blewits. Yes, there are differences. But there are less differences between growing oyster or active WL beds as there are growing cubes or active WL's.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28667798 - 02/20/24 07:45 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
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There has to be a reason other than they just like wood.




They just like wood.

You're new here so I'm just going to lay it out at the start, there's next to no crossover with "gourmet" mushrooms and wood loving psilocybes... so that experience of yours doesn't translate to this page or active woodlovers.

You have hundreds and hundreds of pages of people growing woodlovers right here in this thread.  Start reviewing the thread and see what people have done to successfully grow woodloving psilocybes.




I understand that it is an entirely different game, I was just curious if anyone knew the actual reason the woodchips work better for actives. "they just like wood" is really just an observation. Just curious if anyone know why.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake]
    #28667924 - 02/20/24 09:23 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Blufuut180 said:
This does not answer my question. I have found that woodchips are pretty bad for basically all gourmet species, they take up space and are barely colonized by the time the bag is cashed. I am just curious as to why woodchips are preferred when dealing with actives, like longer colonization times? There has to be a reason other than they just like wood.




The main difference is whether you're growing indoors or outdoors. I don't have experience growing active WL's indoors, so if that's what you're asking about others would have to answer that. But the main reason chips are used for outdoor WL's (whether active or edible) is the beds are meant to last years, not weeks. That's why we use the denser chips that take longer to decompose. Also, sawdust holds too much water to be a viable option outdoors, regardless of species.

It is not true that what you have learned growing edibles doesn't apply to active WL's. And sawdust IS wood, it just colonizes faster which is why it's used for indoor edible cultivation. There are relatively no difference between active WL's and other edible species that natural grow in forest litter (leaves, twigs, etc). It just takes time to learn the slight nuanced differences between species, same as learning the difference between growing outdoor beds of King Stropharia or Blewits. Yes, there are differences. But there are less differences between growing oyster or active WL beds as there are growing cubes or active WL's.




I want to experiment with indoor growing but this makes sense to me. I throw cashed blocks in a pile outdoors and it turns to a mushy mess after rain. Thanks!!

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blufuut180]
    #28667989 - 02/20/24 10:34 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Blufuut180 said:
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Mr Piggy said:
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Blufuut180 said:
There has to be a reason other than they just like wood.




They just like wood.

You're new here so I'm just going to lay it out at the start, there's next to no crossover with "gourmet" mushrooms and wood loving psilocybes... so that experience of yours doesn't translate to this page or active woodlovers.

You have hundreds and hundreds of pages of people growing woodlovers right here in this thread.  Start reviewing the thread and see what people have done to successfully grow woodloving psilocybes.




I understand that it is an entirely different game, I was just curious if anyone knew the actual reason the woodchips work better for actives. "they just like wood" is really just an observation. Just curious if anyone know why.




Because it is their natural food.  They evolved to eat the lignin in wood.  They did not evolve to eat grain flour out of sawdust bags.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 1
    #28667991 - 02/20/24 10:37 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
A self ban ensures that a person cannot log back in and forces a break.  We all know you're superior to everyone else, you don't have to brag about it in every other post.




What is it with y'all, when did you all get start getting so damn offended at everything? It's not being "superior" to be confused why people can't just not log in when they take a break. That's what every normal emotionally stable person would do, including the VAST majority of members on this site... This site is NOT crack cocaine...

I don't think I'm superior to anyone, and my words are not to blame for anyone's self-esteem issues. I've not directly insulted anyone here since I've been back, yet you and LT have directly insulted me when I didn't say a damn thing about either one of you. I have a right to my opinion without being directly insulted for disagreeing with yours.

If you have a problem with my opinion, then debate me about it if you feel the necessity and I might change my mind. You and I have done that several times without issue... But you can keep your passive-aggressive personal insults to yourself. There are group rules about that shit, and you of all people should know that. I am very particular not to make personal insults to anyone here, so I expect the same respect. Especially since it's the rules...



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I have a better idea, instead of debating you I'm going to throw you on ignore.  You spend a lot of time talking down to people and then acting like a victim when you get even the slightest pushback.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ghiajake] * 2
    #28668004 - 02/20/24 10:47 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

It has similarities to crack in the sense that both can offer dopamine rewards.

It's not as addictive for sure but some of us are more sensitive to dopamine or may be trying to rebalance our dopamine system.

I quit weed recently and now my mind is waking me up to infinte shroomery scrolling because it's craving any dopamine it can find.  And I have chronic tendonitis that could use a break too.

So, I'll be self banning for a week while I restore balance in a few days.  Made some trade commitments I want to take care of first.

Otherwise I'd be doing it right now.

Edit:  And thanks everyone who self bans such as Land trout and Mr Piggy for helping me understand that's an option to set healthy boundaries for myself.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
    #28668012 - 02/20/24 10:52 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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It has similarities to crack in the sense that both can offer dopamine rewards.

It's not as addictive for sure but some of us are more sensitive to dopamine or may be trying to rebalance our dopamine system.

I quit weed recently and now my mind is waking me up to infinte shroomery scrolling because it's craving any dopamine it can find.  And I have chronic tendonitis that could use a break too.

So, I'll be self banning for a week while I restore balance in a few days.  Made some trade commitments I want to take care of first.

Otherwise I'd be doing it right now.





Yeah I quit social media and scroll thru the news and now the shroomery .


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: fnulnu]
    #28668016 - 02/20/24 10:57 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)



Fucking bullshit, the 2 shoeboxes of wood chips both started turning green in a couple spots...I boiled the chips before adding colonized wood chips to one and Ps. cyanescens agar chunks on the other...going to boil and PC some this time.

Any other suggestions?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: fnulnu] * 3
    #28668018 - 02/20/24 11:01 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Me too :grin:

The community is way better though.  Just gotta get myself in order and I'll be back.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
    #28668020 - 02/20/24 11:03 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Enjoy your time off but come back soon :leafromp:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: fnulnu] * 1
    #28668036 - 02/20/24 11:18 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Fucking bullshit, the 2 shoeboxes of wood chips both started turning green in a couple spots...I boiled the chips before adding colonized wood chips to one and Ps. cyanescens agar chunks on the other...going to boil and PC some this time.

Any other suggestions?




I think the problem is the boiled chips.  That opened them up to anything that wants to take a crack at them.  Next time try just soaking, draining, and inoculating them.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #28668046 - 02/20/24 11:23 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

You can pick out most the bad chips by hand no worry you want a spawn strong to battle 💪 with contams if going outside


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider] * 1
    #28668053 - 02/20/24 11:26 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Yup yup.  Everyone is so used to super clean cult that it takes a while to get used to how dirty growing WL is :lol:

I came at it from the other direction and started out as a WL hunter/forager, then moved on to cultivating with stem butts and fists full of myc from the park.  Once I realized how much more I could do with agar work it was off to the races!

Now I'm back to doing less agar work and more making patches by slinging around fists full of dirty outside spawn.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28668061 - 02/20/24 11:33 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

:leafromp: fuk yea WL are tough as fuk I hand select chunks to expand and use stembutts. I'll wash chunks under sink to clear bugs and put in bags or jars. I laugh at sterile teks I'm Def ghetto style but a strong WL won't mind.


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