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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
#28696796 - 03/12/24 04:38 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly] 2
#28696800 - 03/12/24 04:40 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Sartre explains, for instance, why the question the following question is asked upon faulty presuppositions: "Why is there something apart from nothing, when it doesn't appear that there has to be anything?"
Do you know how this relates to the idea of "Existence precedes essence"?
This is specifically one of the things Sartre was drawing from.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: The Blind Ass] 2
#28696806 - 03/12/24 04:46 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Phew. I didn't want to explain that 1!
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly] 1
#28696815 - 03/12/24 04:51 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Sartre says Quote:
being is uncreated
He says the absurdity of creation ex nihilo is exemplified by God not being able to have ever created an objectivity. He makes a series of arguments about this that are dense but interesting.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28696819 - 03/12/24 04:53 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Interpretations of implications aside, I would prefer physics related names coming up here.
You think essence precedes existence, that's fine, I respectfully disagree.
Though in some way this theory says neither existence nor essence precede one another as the universe is timeless.
Where essence in this regard is just quantifiable quantum phenomena.
So really my position here is that existence is quantifiable as essence and vice versa.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly] 1
#28696825 - 03/12/24 04:55 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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That is a fatalistic argument that I cannot accept. I don't think it takes being seriously, and it attributes being as a property, which Kant ruled out.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28696828 - 03/12/24 04:58 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I think you're projecting.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly] 1
#28696830 - 03/12/24 04:59 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Is the quantum not exactly to mean it is imprecise? Quantum means how much, how many? As for instance the location of an electron around an atom. You don't know exactly where it is, and quantum is inexact. Consciousness, complex being, and being itself is not a quantifiable property. It is the basis of the quantifiable.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
#28696835 - 03/12/24 05:04 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28676040#28676040
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Sudly said: EEGs measure the affect of emotions like relief and display them as 8A geometry.
Relief is one modality of many, I've observed 4 so far.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly] 1
#28696878 - 03/12/24 05:52 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Which principles?
The logic of essentializing consciousness is impossible. It is like trying to run fast enough to catch yourself from behind. It is asserting you know something more about the number 1 because you can break it into all the other different numbers, and add them until infinity. Prime numbers are found highly important to mathematicians for various reasons. The essence of existence is to be. That is what "existence precedes essence" means. It means the essence of existence is existence.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28696885 - 03/12/24 06:04 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Those of E = m(ca)² within the QCB/BEC framework.
Essence to me is just quantifiable quantum phenomena integrated with being. Again, where existence is quantifiable as essence and vice versa.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly] 1
#28696901 - 03/12/24 06:11 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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How does that show how being comes from something, or is created? I.e. that consciousness is an emergent property of matter?
And if existence is quantifiable as you say... which units are to be used?
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28696919 - 03/12/24 06:21 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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QCB/BEC and Coherent States: The QCB and BEC concepts, when applied to cognitive neuroscience, imply that the brain might achieve coherence in a manner analogous to quantum systems reaching coherent states. This coherence in the brain's activity could be what underlies the emergence of organised, structured cognitive functions, potentially observable as distinct patterns in EEG readings.
QCB/BEC Framework: Integrating these concepts within the QCB/BEC framework would suggest that the coherent states in quantum physics (as seen in BECs) have analogs in human cognition, with coherent thought processes reflecting a form of quantum coherence. The idea that cognitive states can be described in terms of quantum states offers a fascinating perspective on the nature of consciousness.
As I said, 4 modalities so far, many more predicted.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
#28696961 - 03/12/24 06:41 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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measureable frequencies.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly] 1
#28696975 - 03/12/24 06:52 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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You can only consider anything about what already or potentially exists.
Otherwise, you wouldn't know of it at all.
Neural coherence is cellular, not quantum. Perhaps there is something about microtubules, but none of that points to anything specific, and the word might
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imply that the brain might achieve coherence in a manner analogous to quantum systems reaching coherent states. This coherence in the brain's activity could be what underlies the emergence of organised, structured
What is this analogous manner, specifically? Please explain...
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28696977 - 03/12/24 06:53 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Frequencies... which need to be recognized... And what is recognition you say? Where does the ghost in the machine get traction? Mhm... Smoke and mirrors. That is no explanation.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28696983 - 03/12/24 06:55 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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So my next steps are to record modalities, cross reference vocalisations and reflections to analyse EEG readings and label modalities. Then repeat for observations.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28696992 - 03/12/24 07:00 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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8A geometry in EEG, the BEC, and Feynman's Sprinkler Solution are posited as analagous to the Quantum Coherence Boson (QCB), the postulate of this theorem.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly] 1
#28697034 - 03/12/24 07:24 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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That is still but a stretch... You think that is conclusive?
How about the simple logic?
Existence is not a predicate. If it were then I could not possibly exist, because the fact I exist is not a property of my being, namely something that could be had or lacked. If you could lack existence... There would be no subject. The subject must exist, otherwise there is nothing.
If existence is a predicated property of 'a system' as you say.... Why is our existence clearly a part of a visible, cellular, biological system, and not something else, made of light, or something far less complicated?
How could a system exist without existence itself being a priori?
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
#28697058 - 03/12/24 07:37 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Edited by sudly (03/12/24 08:26 PM)
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