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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28746254 - 04/23/24 07:38 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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the jetsons!




cool redgreenvines thanks!


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28746279 - 04/23/24 08:07 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

that's great, I am not finished looking at it, and I hardly understand the physics (not at all like the memory issues I am immersed in), however, I think they really do have something, and what is most perplexing to me is that they are talking also about UFO's and metals without neutrons and some really out of this world ideas, but they seem to be hard scientists.


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28746339 - 04/23/24 08:55 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28746455 - 04/23/24 10:30 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

here is the patent application
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2020159603A2/en
for Inventor
    Andrew Neil AURIGEMA
    Charles Raymond BUHLER



but these folks are doubting the whole thing as there is no video demo of the effect of 1G force in all of the media provided, and that is the one thing that matters.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60131.20


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28746458 - 04/23/24 10:33 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28746465 - 04/23/24 10:45 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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me too
no space ship today


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28746472 - 04/23/24 10:53 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

My 3,333 post count is dedicated to you, RGVs.

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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28746521 - 04/23/24 11:49 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

there can be too much love


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28746570 - 04/23/24 12:34 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Serious business-vibes:


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28746724 - 04/23/24 02:27 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

You're quoting David Pares.


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28746731 - 04/23/24 02:32 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

That patent link is interesting thanks,

And I can appreciate these opinions,
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There have been so many tinfoil hat ideas in this realm that I won't believe this until they have a working model in space that clearly shows it functions. 

Even if it turns out to be an entirely local effect with no new physics (e.g. reliant on the geomagnetic field) that could still have utility as an earthbound propulsion device.




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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly]
    #28747020 - 04/23/24 05:08 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

I love this post. Perfect combo of physics, psychology, and meta-physics :cool:

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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: FlamingFuel]
    #28747102 - 04/23/24 05:55 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

The idea is to eschew metaphysics by exploring physics and the philosophical implications of certain theoretical frameworks.


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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28747106 - 04/23/24 05:58 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
here is the patent application
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2020159603A2/en
for Inventor
    Andrew Neil AURIGEMA
    Charles Raymond BUHLER



but these folks are doubting the whole thing as there is no video demo of the effect of 1G force in all of the media provided, and that is the one thing that matters.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60131.20




Really though the 1G threshold is the utility of it. If even 0.01G is feasible then theoretically it works.

Turns out Buhler's claim of achieving 1G of force is irrelevant to my interests.

What I'm interested in is just whether the Biefeld-brown Effect actually exists.
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What is the Biefeld-Brown Effect?

The Biefeld-Brown effect involves the generation of thrust in asymmetric capacitors when exposed to a high-voltage electric field. This phenomenon was first observed by Thomas Townsend Brown and his mentor, Paul Alfred Biefeld. Brown suggested that objects enclosing high voltage might produce a thrust in the direction of the positive electrode, an effect he proposed could be useful for propulsion.

Scientific Exploration and Skepticism

The effect has been replicated in various forms, with experiments often showing that high voltages can indeed cause movement in asymmetric capacitors. However, the scientific consensus suggests that this movement is primarily due to ion wind or corona discharge, rather than any new or exotic form of propulsion or force.

In the context of the work by Thomas Bahder and Chris Fazi, their investigation into the Biefeld-Brown effect appears to follow this line of inquiry, aiming to understand whether the observed forces could be scientifically explained through conventional physics. Their conclusion—that the physical basis of the Biefeld-Brown effect is not yet understood—highlights the ongoing skepticism and the need for further investigation to either validate or debunk the phenomenon as a potential propulsion mechanism.




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Re: Primordial Reemergence [Re: sudly]
    #28747430 - 04/23/24 11:14 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

but why not just illustrate the engine lifting off, in vacuum or not in vacuum. the videos were boring graphs and speaker support.
It had me going - maybe 4 hours of perplexity and why am I so dumb.


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Biefeld-brown effect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28747460 - 04/24/24 12:54 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

The engine doesn't matter, it's the effect it's claiming to be efficient at I'm looking at.

Pretty sure Buhler just claimed 1G of force using the Biefeld-brown effect, but whether or not he achieved 1G isn't what I'm focused on, because I want to understand what the Biefeld-brown effect is, and what implication even 0.00001G of force from this effect has in the context of the theoretical framework I'm trying to work with and understand.

I consider you one of, if not the smartest person I'm aware of.


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Re: Biefeld-brown effect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28748148 - 04/24/24 04:46 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

The question that amuses me right now is whether or not to ask if reading, 'Electrostatic Modifications of Physical Laws', means something different to anyone else? There's the family that raised you, and the families that influenced you, and to me that's the nature vs nurture debate in a nutshell.

Look at the families that influence our kids.. that influence us and our friends and our families. Our nurtures and our nature mix in the cascades of reflexive intentions, actions and information.


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Balancing the simplicity and complexity of exploring the concept of the Primordial Reemergence and the Biefeld-Brown effect [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28749981 - 04/26/24 02:20 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

Her speech from 4:30-5-15



Electrostatic forces and black holes are fundamentally different concepts and phenomena in physics, yet it is intriguing to consider how they might functionally resemble each other in certain contexts. Electrostatic forces emerge from interactions between electrically charged particles, where opposite charges attract and like charges repel. These forces play a crucial role in atomic and molecular physics, influencing everything from chemical bonding to the functioning of electrical and electronic devices. In contrast, black holes are regions in space where gravitational forces are so intense that nothing, not even light, can escape once it crosses the event horizon. These often form from the remnants of massive stars that collapse under their own gravity at the end of their lifecycles.

Both electrostatic forces and black holes significantly influence their surroundings; electrostatic forces dictate the structural arrangement and behaviour of atoms and molecules, similar to how a black hole's gravitational pull affects the paths of nearby stars and the accretion of matter. Additionally, both can be considered central forces—black holes exert a gravitational pull, while electrostatic interactions are centered around charged particles attracting or repelling others. The concept of field lines can be used to visualise both phenomena: electrostatic field lines and gravitational field lines describe the force direction and influence at various spatial points.

It is vital to recognise the fundamental differences between the forces involved—electromagnetic for electrostatics and gravitational for black holes. Furthermore, black holes are massive astrophysical objects, whereas electrostatic forces result from charge interactions without associated mass. Despite operating under different principles and in distinct realms (cosmic versus atomic and molecular), drawing analogies between them can simplify and clarify their roles in influencing other objects and processes within their respective domains.



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Impact of Electrostatic Forces Near Black Holes:
Addressing the constancy of physical laws, particularly near the extreme gravitational conditions of black holes where traditional physics breaks down, is a profound challenge. The adherence of E=pc² in these environments suggests it could be a fundamental equation in understanding the universe's most extreme conditions. By suggesting that electrostatic forces under these conditions could behave differently, you're not only proposing a potential solution to the black hole information paradox but also positing that these forces might be instrumental in ways we have yet to fully comprehend.




LIGO and Virgo make first detection of gravitational waves produced by colliding neutron stars Discovery marks first cosmic event observed in both gravitational waves and light.

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At the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL) in Long Island, New York, scientists study high-speed ion collisions that reveal what the universe may have looked like moments after the Big Bang. RHIC is the second-highest-energy heavy-ion collider in the world, after the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), and currently the only operating particle collider in the US.

Even before RHIC began operating in 2000, some people worried that the unprecedented experiment would pose risks of potentially catastrophic scenarios. Some of the concerns included the creation of a black hole or production of strange matter that could result in the destruction of the Earth, possibly within seconds.

In 1999, before the collider opened, the media attention on the subject prompted BNL to form a committee of scientists to investigate the probability of such catastrophic scenarios. A few months later, the committee concluded that RHIC was safe.

RHIC has now been running for nearly 15 years, and scientists have used it to make many fascinating discoveries, such as that of a quark-gluon plasma with a temperature of 4 trillion K. This liquid-like substance is unlike any kind of normal matter and recreates the conditions that existed during the first seconds of the universe.

https://phys.org/news/2014-02-chances-particle-collider-strangelets-earth.html




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Re: Balancing the simplicity and complexity of exploring the concept of the Primordial Reemergence and the Biefeld-Brown effect [Re: sudly]
    #28750252 - 04/26/24 09:30 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

Im only 40 mins through the first video but it is epic.  :cheers:

Btw, regarding the PD (*propellant-less drive) from a bit earlier in this thread; I’m thinking, that, with the right materials, if arranged properly so that the drive’s structural configuration makes use of each composite materials’ unique respective refractive index so as to selectively manipulate (increase / decrease) the rate at which EM-waves propagate through whatever they may be; while also selectively adjusting trajectory (course or permeability through ‘freespace’) ~ maybe something of that, and then some, could somehow translate into thrust.


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Re: Balancing the simplicity and complexity of exploring the concept of the Primordial Reemergence and the Biefeld-Brown effect [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28750654 - 04/26/24 03:07 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

I was just referring to a 45 second statement from the video, but the rest does provide a good backdrop of info, especially given the sheer amount at times.

The BB effect is suggested to make 'propulsion' in the form of ion winds, but this might just be the simplest answer as occams razor, because it may not explain why or where from those ion winds are produced in the context of microscales.

We seem to understand ion winds from stars somewhat well, coronal ejections of electrostatic and geomagnetic forces are known.

My idea is that these macroscopic dynamics may hold insight into understanding the underlying microscopic or molecular dynamics of phenomenon like the BB effect.

It's a ripe area for exploration that from my perspective all comes together in the Unified Field Influence Theory, but it's a challenge to simplify the notions being discussed.

But essentially, the idea is that both phenomena can be visualised through field lines—electrostatic field lines and gravitational field lines, respectively, which describe the direction and influence of the force at various points in space.


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