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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28703274 - 03/18/24 09:47 AM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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that is a good animation of shifting to a lower orbital
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28703877 - 03/18/24 06:34 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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Yea, dumbbell
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28704292 - 03/18/24 11:22 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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sometimes yes, depending on the energy
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28704361 - 03/19/24 01:59 AM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I had no idea that electrons were stationary, I thought they were electrically bound to move in orbitals or moving in electric currents. I would imagine that a photon's momentum would accelerate an electron to a higher orbital, or free it from an atom to become electric current, as in solar energy. I thought that electrons and photons were so similar, that they could change roles, I mean, in solar energy, the solar cell does not become consumed, so the light must become electricity:
the electron gets shifted to a higher orbital and the photon takes its place and then the electron runs freely as current.
no?
The zero momentum assumption in the Compton effect is to simplify calculations, because the energy levels involved in Compton scattering experiments are high enough that the kinetic energy of the electron is negligible compared to the photons energy.
The photoelectric effect is the concept where a photons energy is transferred entirely to an electron, while Compton scattering is the concept of a photon colliding with an electron and transferring some of its energy and momentum, and then scattering away with reduced energy or inversed scattering and a shifted wavelength. Compton scattering scatters part of the photons energy, while in the photoelectric effect, the electron absorbs the entire photon, and can be ejected from the atom. So electrons elevating to a higher orbital, even if free from the atom, is the photoelectric effect. Solar cells leverage the photoelectric effect at the semiconductor level.
Pretty sure Compton effect is more for understanding particle behaviour than for harnessing energy conversion in solar cells. Good for x rays.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly]
#28704429 - 03/19/24 05:07 AM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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what happens with the new super black paint https://culturehustle.com/products/black-3-0-the-worlds-blackest-black-acrylic-paint-150ml obviously the photons are not completely absorbed, but their energy must be scattered at strange angles to not reflect any color
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28704535 - 03/19/24 08:03 AM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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Give me some 6,6'-Dibromoindigo please
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28705405 - 03/20/24 03:49 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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I think vantablack is just lots of nanotube structures, not sure if that'd be Compton scattering, I doubt it.
Still seems like an interesting line of inquiry to dig into imo.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28707982 - 03/22/24 02:51 AM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I had no idea that electrons were stationary, I thought they were electrically bound to move in orbitals or moving in electric currents. I would imagine that a photon's momentum would accelerate an electron to a higher orbital, or free it from an atom to become electric current, as in solar energy. I thought that electrons and photons were so similar, that they could change roles, I mean, in solar energy, the solar cell does not become consumed, so the light must become electricity:
the electron gets shifted to a higher orbital and the photon takes its place and then the electron runs freely as current.
no?
In the growth of our lives we develop our learning strategies over time and distance.
I might even go as far to say that if I were to ever truly answer what religion I am, I'd consider just saying E = mc².
Incorporating the concept of photon momentum (P) acknowledges the nuanced and intricate ways that light and energy interact with mass.
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Photons can contribute to the system mass or composite mass of a system. While photons individually have no rest mass, their energy and momentum are forms of mass-energy equivalence as described by Einstein's equation E = mc². In a system that contains photons, like a box with reflective mirrors containing light, the energy associated with the photons contributes to the total mass-energy of the system.
This concept is rooted in the principle that all forms of energy have a mass equivalent. For a system that includes photons, the energy they carry is part of the system's total energy. When you calculate the system's mass from an external perspective, you include the energy of the photons in this calculation. In this way, the photons' energy increases the total mass of the system, even though photons themselves do not possess rest mass.
The increase in mass due to the photons' energy would be detectable in principle through the system's gravitational field or its inertia. This effect is incredibly small for typical amounts of electromagnetic energy but is a real consequence of the principles of relativity and mass-energy equivalence.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly]
#28712545 - 03/24/24 08:04 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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It's good to have something to be against, but what are you for?
I'm for the idea that Hesitation Enhances Effective Action.
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As one approaches a black hole, the effect of gravitational time dilation means that time appears to slow down relative to an observer at a distance. This is a manifestation of the curvature of spacetime; the stronger the gravitational field, the slower time passes. This does not mean time stops for the photons themselves but is an effect observed from an external frame of reference.
The speed of light in a vacuum, denoted as c, is a fundamental constant in physics. When we say light "slows down" in a medium like water or glass, it's not that the photons themselves are moving slower. Instead, their effective speed is reduced due to absorption and re-emission by atoms in the medium, among other interaction processes. In a vacuum—or what we consider as close to a vacuum in space—light travels at its maximum speed, c.
Photons traveling near a black hole follow curved paths due to the spacetime curvature. While they always move at the speed of light in a local vacuum, their curvature momentum contributes to the overall energy-mass dynamics of the system. This is reflective of the broader principle that in the realm of relativity, energy, momentum, and mass are deeply interconnected.
Central to this perspective is the acknowledgment that photons, despite lacking rest mass, significantly contribute to the energy—and thereby the effective mass—of a system through their momentum. This conceptual framework extends the mass-energy equivalence principle to encompass the dynamic contributions of massless entities, illustrating a holistic and interconnected view of the universe.
Embracing the idea that "Hesitation Enhances Effective Action" parallels understanding complex physical phenomena like gravitational time dilation and the behaviour of photons near a black hole.
Just as these physical events are not straightforward but filled with nuanced interactions and effects, the concept of hesitation as a positive force in decision-making and action reflects a deep appreciation for the complexity and interconnectedness of processes, whether in physics or personal productivity.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly]
#28712553 - 03/24/24 08:05 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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I still don't see how.
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#28712572 - 03/24/24 08:19 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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the pause, allows more branching among perceptions to unfold
this does not directly mean you get a new theory of the universe, but your view is enhanced by pausing when it makes sense to do so.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28712574 - 03/24/24 08:20 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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How do you understand the concept that the momentum of photons contributes to mass-energy equivalence? This idea suggests that the energy and momentum of photons add to the total energy of a system, thereby affecting its relativistic mass.
Additionally, how do you perceive the notion that taking a moment to hesitate can actually improve the effectiveness of an action?
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly]
#28712578 - 03/24/24 08:22 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Hesitating makes you not complete an action, like accidentally then falling up the stairs (done it).
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28712644 - 03/24/24 09:07 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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You don't think hesitation is a little more nuanced than running up all the stairs at once?
I like to consider the time frame hesitation occurs within.
We hesitate more than once in life, but maybe hesitation isn't as much of a hinderence as I've previously thought. That's the idea anyway.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28712898 - 03/25/24 03:17 AM (3 months, 22 hours ago) |
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redgreenvines said: the pause, allows more branching among perceptions to unfold
this does not directly mean you get a new theory of the universe, but your view is enhanced by pausing when it makes sense to do so.
Really though, is photon momentum accounted for in most traditional interpretations of mass energy equivalence?
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Scientific hypotheses must be testable. For instance, we can examine if strategic pauses in decision-making, akin to the influence of photon momentum on a system's mass-energy, enhance the effectiveness of outcomes. This can be tested by comparing the results of decision-making with and without intentional hesitations, mirroring the method of assessing photon momentum's impact in physics.
With the testable hypothesis more clearly being, "In a complex system, analogous to how photon momentum influences the mass-energy equivalence of a system, strategic hesitations or pauses in the decision-making process contribute positively to the system's outcome effectiveness."
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly]
#28712903 - 03/25/24 03:31 AM (3 months, 21 hours ago) |
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If things have different speeds then does that mean their are different constants?
Speed conservation.
The beginning is a motion from the past , projected into the future.
Metaphorical Balogne.
Mass?
Mass conversion free alchemy. Crazy radical.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly]
#28712905 - 03/25/24 03:33 AM (3 months, 21 hours ago) |
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except decision making is not testable because it is not what we do. we navigate contexts
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: sudly]
#28712921 - 03/25/24 04:08 AM (3 months, 21 hours ago) |
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Recognising the robust mathematical foundation of Dirac's extension to Einstein's mass-energy equivalence to incorporate momentum underscores its precision in physics.
When applied to decision-making, it serves as an exploratory analogy, fostering interdisciplinary dialogue. This approach, while speculative in correlating physical momentum with decision-making, introduces a novel perspective that recognises the iterative nature of decision-making processes.
It encourages further exploration and dialogue, inviting us to consider the potential insights this speculative connection might offer, while respecting the exactitude of physics and the nuanced, iterative complexities of decision-making.
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28713000 - 03/25/24 06:51 AM (3 months, 18 hours ago) |
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redgreenvines said: we navigate contexts
Which in the context of memory is decision making. Don't ignore context
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Re: A Metaphorical Retort to the Observer Effect. [Re: Kickle]
#28713104 - 03/25/24 09:20 AM (3 months, 16 hours ago) |
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in the context of memory it is memory reflexes aka perception. often in cascades beginning vaguely (and seeming to be sub conscious) but frequently also instantly.
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