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The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? * 1
    #28664863 - 02/18/24 03:24 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Hello, I was wondering if anyone of you knows the legality of selling Pot seeds in the US?

I’ve been researching and the seeds themselves don’t contain enough thc in their nucleus to be illegal and, also sold as novelty items.

Like how spores are sold they themselves don’t contain any silly sibin

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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #28664884 - 02/18/24 04:14 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Sorry for posting first on this but I found something;

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Cannabis seeds are legal in the US provided they contain less than 0.3% THC, as specified by the 2018 Farm Bill. However, it is your responsibility to research and comply with local laws and regulations before ordering.

That’s what I was looking for.


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: Citizen X]
    #28664911 - 02/18/24 05:23 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

I was looking through one of our sponsors this week and came across one, that ships worldwide, that was selling 10 seeds for £10 (£16+ with P+P) which seemed a good deal, seeing as the seed trader on our local market charges ~£40 for 3–5 seeds. So yeah, they are legal to buy / sell. They had a disclaimer which went something like "for novelty / collecting purposes" only. :grin:



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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #28665121 - 02/18/24 08:33 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Me either, I try to stay on the up and up because I’m not super tech savvy
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I was looking through one of our sponsors this week and came across one, that ships worldwide, that was selling 10 seeds for £10 (£16+ with P+P) which seemed a good deal, seeing as the seed trader on our local market charges ~£40 for 3–5 seeds. So yeah, they are legal to buy / sell. They had a disclaimer which went something like "for novelty / collecting purposes" only. :grin:

I didn't go through with the deal as 'Malwarebytes' blocked the payment due to "suspicious top level domains (TLD)", which kinda freaked me out. I know absolutely fuck all about pc security!




Those are good prices. I haven’t priced seeds much but they’re about 13 USD per seed


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: Citizen X]
    #28665175 - 02/18/24 09:15 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I don't grow but I know you can get buy seeds from many places. I also know that in my friends case his seeds were confiscated by USPS and he got a love letter. I don't know the legalities of it, but generally speaking a love letter means it is illegal.


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: christopera]
    #28665392 - 02/18/24 11:46 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Was this recently?


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: Citizen X] * 2
    #28665613 - 02/18/24 02:04 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Last year or so. They were from a fairly popular company that sells seeds (not US based but deliver to the US). Which may have been why they got flagged.

Nevertheless, they were flagged. They use pretty discrete packaging, and by "pretty" I mean extremely. My friend bought from them numerous times and never had issues.

I'm not a weed guy (note my participation here) but the funny thing to me is that the local Native American tribe legally sells weed for a fraction of the price. So my friend just gave up growing and heads there instead.

I have gotten some love letters over the years, usually for coke or mdma. It's not like they are joking around. As the weed market slowly becomes a very normal thing there probably isn't much in it for seeds. That's my opinion though.


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: christopera] * 2
    #28665766 - 02/18/24 03:55 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Maybe they'll allow garden centres to sell cuttings/plug plants. A young feller I used to swap shrooms with for weed had a friend that sold cuttings, maybe I'll hit him up.
I never liked the idea of the market stall guy anyway. Always thought it may be a set-up, though he's been there for years. I'm probably just a little paranoid.
I used to get seed passed onto me from other smokers (bag-seed) which always turned out good enough for my needs.



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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #28665783 - 02/18/24 04:17 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: Citizen X]
    #28665789 - 02/18/24 04:23 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

How do you plan on selling and distributing them ?

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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #28665802 - 02/18/24 04:41 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Sorry for posting first on this but I found something;

Disclaimer
Cannabis seeds are legal in the US provided they contain less than 0.3% THC, as specified by the 2018 Farm Bill. However, it is your responsibility to research and comply with local laws and regulations before ordering.

That’s what I was looking for.





Since the Farm Bill in 2018, the way I understand it, cannabis seeds are considered "hemp" since they contain such miniscule traces of THC.

In general it seems like the sales of and mailing/shipping of cannabis seeds, and even clones/cuttings, has become pretty relaxed over the last several years.

There are a handful of folks/businesses that sell and ship clones/cutting through the mail (usually with a special packaging that holds the clone/cutting in place and has a small LED light inside to keep it alive/prevent it from flowering during shipping)


All that said...I'm not sure how such plays out if one wanted to open up an actual legit business selling seeds, especially if it's a store front and within a legal state I feel there's probably some bullshit one would face with the laws/regulations of the "industry".

I've actually been curious about looking in such myself and how it could work out...I don't have the funds to do so but one business idea I've had is selling cannabis genetics seeds/clones, I'm curious if I'd need a cannabis business license through the state of California or if I could do so with out since seeds and clones don't contain much beyond traces of THC they'd be considered "hemp".





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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: Citizen X]
    #28665911 - 02/18/24 06:02 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Sorry for posting first on this but I found something;

Disclaimer
Cannabis seeds are legal in the US provided they contain less than 0.3% THC, as specified by the 2018 Farm Bill. However, it is your responsibility to research and comply with local laws and regulations before ordering.

That’s what I was looking for.




Im just gonna assume that dank sensei seeds have too much THC to pass this legal hemp law. Plus, the context of shipping a cannabis seed to a residential area seems like it would be confiscated easily by the USPS since hemp seeds are typically sent to farms and not small properties.

I would say its still pretty much illegal considering the recreational use of growing potent, dank cannabis at home.


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #28665965 - 02/18/24 06:54 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Sorry for posting first on this but I found something;

Disclaimer
Cannabis seeds are legal in the US provided they contain less than 0.3% THC, as specified by the 2018 Farm Bill. However, it is your responsibility to research and comply with local laws and regulations before ordering.

That’s what I was looking for.




Im just gonna assume that dank sensei seeds have too much THC to pass this legal hemp law. Plus, the context of shipping a cannabis seed to a residential area seems like it would be confiscated easily by the USPS since hemp seeds are typically sent to farms and not small properties.

I would say its still pretty much illegal considering the recreational use of growing potent, dank cannabis at home.





The seeds of even high THC varieties of cannabis don't contain much or any THC at all. The stalks/stems/leaves/roots /seeds don't contain much THC, the THC and other cannabinoids are concentrated within the tiny heads of trichomes while the rest of the plant has only traces of such.

There is nothing on a package that indicates it contains cannabis seeds so I don't see how such would be confiscated "easily" by the USPS...and even if they somehow knew the package had seeds inside and they specifically identified them as cannabis/hemp seed, there's nothing at all illegal about having the seeds sent to a residential address. I don't believe the USPS would be screening/opening packages just to find cannabis/hemp seeds, then going through the process to have the seeds tested to see what the THC concentration is or sequenced to see what type of cannabis seed it is (hemp or high-THC).

It's technically legal the way I and many others read/perceive the "Farm Bill" as the seeds are technically considered to be "hemp", they're even sold as "hemp" by most breeders/seed banks.

How do you think all the different cannabis-breeders and seed-banks sell their seed? They ship it through the mail. It's been going on for 20+ years now, and ever since the farm bill things are even more relaxed and "legal" since the seeds are considered "hemp". It's happening every day and has been for a while, domestically and internationally.

There are a bunch of folks and businesses even selling & trading live/rooted cuttings/clones of cannabis through the mail, been going on for several years now, the shipping of cannabis plants also seems to be allowed by the Farm Bill as long as the contain less than 0.3% THC it is technically considered "hemp".

Even dank CBD bud/flower is legal to ship through the mail. There are a variety of new high-CBD strains that are pretty loud/sticky/frosted, some look just as dank as anything else, and since the "material" doesn't contain more than 0.3% THC it is considered hemp and legal to ship through the mail.




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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: openmind] * 2
    #28665996 - 02/18/24 07:17 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

1. The entire process of drug criminalization in the 20th century created somewhat unprecedented legal fictions that simply can't be squared up against basic human rights or due process.

2. Weed remains illegal in the US, everything that's currently happening at the state and local level still falls under the umbrella of federal law. Eric Holder opened the door to non-enforcement/non-interference, but that's not a legally binding situation. The feds could technically decide to flip the script any time they wanted. Also, all bets are off the second you attempt to cross state lines or put something in the mail.

3. The legality of cannabis seeds is based on hemp seeds and the like. Just like mushroom spores, the second they become part of "intent to manufacture" cannabis flower, then the DEA could technically kick your door over it. A place breeding and selling different strains of weed seeds is pretty obviously meeting that standard. The current situation with both spores and cannabis seeds is, again, one of lax federal enforcement rather than changed laws. In the case of of psilocybe spores, most places still say "for microscopy use only" on their packaging, unless we're talking about people selling LC's or whatever. But again, the issue was never really the amount of actives in the seeds or cultures. They're more just physical evidence of intent to manufacture a controlled substance. Just like a bong becomes "paraphernalia" when you forget to call it a water pipe, or it has a layer of resin in it. It's not the resin they're busting you for- it's the paraphernalia charge. Again, legal fictions...

4. If they want you, they'll get you. Just ask Putin. And don't think the US government is so very different at the end of the day.


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: B Traven] * 4
    #28666035 - 02/18/24 07:48 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

A couple years ago I got some shipped from Seedsman to NY.
They were packaged in a toy :grin:  So I suspect they knew something I didn't

As an aside, last week the final wording was finalized on the NY home grow proposal.
After 60 days public comment period recreational cultivation will be legal!

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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: flugelizor] * 5
    #28666077 - 02/18/24 08:24 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I hope they never legalize recreational cult because it's a proven fact that marijuana plants get paranoid of being caught and that the heightened adrenaline increases thc content :ancientaliens:


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: B Traven]
    #28666090 - 02/18/24 08:36 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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1. The entire process of drug criminalization in the 20th century created somewhat unprecedented legal fictions that simply can't be squared up against basic human rights or due process.

2. Weed remains illegal in the US, everything that's currently happening at the state and local level still falls under the umbrella of federal law. Eric Holder opened the door to non-enforcement/non-interference, but that's not a legally binding situation. The feds could technically decide to flip the script any time they wanted. Also, all bets are off the second you attempt to cross state lines or put something in the mail.

3. The legality of cannabis seeds is based on hemp seeds and the like. Just like mushroom spores, the second they become part of "intent to manufacture" cannabis flower, then the DEA could technically kick your door over it. A place breeding and selling different strains of weed seeds is pretty obviously meeting that standard. The current situation with both spores and cannabis seeds is, again, one of lax federal enforcement rather than changed laws. In the case of of psilocybe spores, most places still say "for microscopy use only" on their packaging, unless we're talking about people selling LC's or whatever. But again, the issue was never really the amount of actives in the seeds or cultures. They're more just physical evidence of intent to manufacture a controlled substance. Just like a bong becomes "paraphernalia" when you forget to call it a water pipe, or it has a layer of resin in it. It's not the resin they're busting you for- it's the paraphernalia charge. Again, legal fictions...

4. If they want you, they'll get you.
Just ask Putin. And don't think the US government is so very different at the end of the day.





You bring up some good points :yesnod:

No doubt the feds could get one caught up from the angle of intent to manufacture.



That said, I don't think anyone is getting caught up with the feds these days for shipping or ordering cannabis-seeds. Still a risk, no doubt, especially from the angle you described/intent to manufacture....highly unlikely tho, I feel.





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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: openmind] * 2
    #28666126 - 02/18/24 09:17 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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No doubt the feds could get one caught up from the angle of intent to manufacture.



That said, I don't think anyone is getting caught up with the feds these days for shipping or ordering cannabis-seeds. Still a risk, no doubt, especially from the angle you described/intent to manufacture....highly unlikely tho, I feel.





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Oh, yeah, no doubt. They're not gonna try to stuff the genie back in the bottle now, in this new world, just because congress is too dysfunctional to change the law.

Nonetheless, it's worth keeping in mind on a personal level, and remembering just what the US government is capable of doing if so inclined.

I mean, I'm essentially committed to breaking whatever weed laws get passed, just on principle alone. And I know I'll likely never get busted for any of my minor acts of defiance. But some might still care about government jobs and background checks and shit like that. Or just have sketchier stuff going on at a specific address, warranting some concern over these sorts of orders.

I just don't want to see people end up on the slippery slope that leads to shit like that German dude who brought weed gummies into Russia :facepalm:


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28666157 - 02/18/24 09:49 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Lmao nobody is getting their weed seeds seized by USPS if the vendor has half a brain

Like seriously the mailman is the best drug dealer there is and best part he has no clue

If they can keep the stinkiest of weed on planet earth vacuumed sealed and smellproof, im pretty sure seeds aint shit


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Re: The Legality of Selling Pot Seeds In the US? [Re: bling]
    #28666266 - 02/19/24 01:34 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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How do you plan on selling and distributing them ?




I’m thinking about starting a seed vending business but I’m not even back in the states yet. About 2 more weeks. I need to check out my area still


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