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Lynnch
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: RationalEgo]
#28665422 - 02/18/24 12:07 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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RationalEgo said: Most libertarians were once commies when they were 15. Then they grew up out of their misplaced juvenile utopian idealism and into a healthy respect for reality, history, reason and individual rights.
and an unshakable faith in the invisible hand of the free market, which totally isn't just a fairy tale they tell themselves.
Every ideology tries to lay claim to 'reality, history, reason and individual rights'
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RationalEgo
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Lynnch]
#28665479 - 02/18/24 12:47 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Lynnch said:
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RationalEgo said: Most libertarians were once commies when they were 15. Then they grew up out of their misplaced juvenile utopian idealism and into a healthy respect for reality, history, reason and individual rights.
and an unshakable faith in the invisible hand of the free market, which totally isn't just a fairy tale they tell themselves.
Every ideology tries to lay claim to 'reality, history, reason and individual rights'
Doesnt require faith at all just simple logic and reason.
Here, take a pencil from Friedman:
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Lynnch
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: RationalEgo]
#28665520 - 02/18/24 01:14 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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 Global pricing exists, therefore, libertarianism. Ok man. I guess I'll just be glad you aren't posting Prager U videos.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: RationalEgo]
#28665578 - 02/18/24 01:53 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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RationalEgo said:
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Lynnch said:
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RationalEgo said: Most libertarians were once commies when they were 15. Then they grew up out of their misplaced juvenile utopian idealism and into a healthy respect for reality, history, reason and individual rights.
and an unshakable faith in the invisible hand of the free market, which totally isn't just a fairy tale they tell themselves.
Every ideology tries to lay claim to 'reality, history, reason and individual rights'
Doesnt require faith at all just simple logic and reason.
Here, take a pencil from Friedman:
Logic and reason tells me to look at the evidence.
The evidence shows me that libertarians don't exist. (They'd be on the bottom right)

I'm sure that some of the red voters up in the high authoritarian side of the graphic like to think they're libertarians. But they aren't.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: RationalEgo] 1
#28665590 - 02/18/24 01:55 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Hey man there’s no shame in going through a libertarian, Retvrn to Rome, phase. We were all 15 once.

Most libertarians were once commies when they were 15. Then they grew up out of their misplaced juvenile utopian idealism and into a healthy respect for reality, history, reason and individual rights.
Using terms like reality and history to describe my fantasy society that has never, and will never, exist.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#28665644 - 02/18/24 02:20 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: ballsalsa] 2
#28665650 - 02/18/24 02:23 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Libertarianism is just a stepping stone to total corporatocracy.
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RationalEgo
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Lynnch]
#28667161 - 02/19/24 04:52 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Lynnch said:
 Global pricing exists, therefore, libertarianism. Ok man.
The point is that markets objectivley exist and the freer the market the more people peacefully cooperate and the wealthier people become.
Libertarianism is about the banning as much as possible of the 'initiation' of force and fraud in society. What do you have against that?
Edited by RationalEgo (02/19/24 05:19 PM)
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: RationalEgo]
#28667238 - 02/19/24 05:52 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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True libertarianism bans nothing, that's the whole point. Fraud and force are supposed to be controlled by the "free market".
Which is why true libertarians don't exist. They all want to ban something.
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ballsalsa
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: RationalEgo] 2
#28667239 - 02/19/24 05:53 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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How are you gonna enforce those bans?
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: ballsalsa]
#28667789 - 02/20/24 07:34 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Since ordinary people were apparently starving to death, during their time, you cannot explain Luxemborg or Marx without some wealthy donor class.
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ballsalsa
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: durian_2008]
#28667799 - 02/20/24 07:46 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Ok?
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: ballsalsa]
#28667805 - 02/20/24 07:55 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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So, how did they become wealthy, under the Communist ideals, which everyone is expected to uphold equally?
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durian_2008
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: durian_2008]
#28667807 - 02/20/24 07:56 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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See the name on the boat?
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durian_2008
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: durian_2008]
#28667835 - 02/20/24 08:21 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Maximilien Robespierre, radical Jacobin leader and one of the principal figures in the French Revolution. He came to dominate the Committee of Public Safety, the principal organ of the Revolutionary government during the Reign of Terror.

They were backed by philosophical clubs of rich people.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: durian_2008]
#28667856 - 02/20/24 08:40 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Those people are not the countervailing argument to unregulated capitalism?
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ballsalsa
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: durian_2008] 1
#28667925 - 02/20/24 09:24 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Ok? What is your point, exactly?
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: durian_2008] 1
#28668075 - 02/20/24 11:54 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Maximilien Robespierre, radical Jacobin leader and one of the principal figures in the French Revolution. He came to dominate the Committee of Public Safety, the principal organ of the Revolutionary government during the Reign of Terror.

They were backed by philosophical clubs of rich people. 
Are you under the impression that the French Revolution was communist?
I honestly don’t get your point here. How did rich people exist during the time of Marx and Luxembourg? Easy, capitalism.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Peopleschoice]
#28668225 - 02/20/24 01:50 PM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Peopleschoice said: Doesn't matter if you vote old joe, or loud trump. Both continue the path that america is on and does nothing to fix our problems.
I gotta stop you there. That's just not true at all. A Trump second term would be the end of democracy in America. You must have missed the whole attempted coup of 2020. You must have missed the mishandling of the COVID pandemic by Trump. You must have missed the narcissism and criminality of Trump. Joe cares for the people, Trump doesn't. End of story.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#28668237 - 02/20/24 01:57 PM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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I disagree.
If we make Trump lose again, he’ll definitely do another coup attempt.
The only way to protect America’s democracy is by making sure Trump doesn’t have a reason to get rid of it.
This November, vote like your life depends on it, because it does!
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