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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28663499 - 02/17/24 08:16 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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It does, which is why I was telling Supa that it's both environment and genetics.
edit: I think Supa might be onto something. And I think it's probably better to look for genetics that don't overlay in your environment. But, if people are stuck and frustrated by overlay, trying a higher temperature might do the trick.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: tree frog]
#28663577 - 02/17/24 09:13 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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I have never had overlay problems with my nats. I keep my colonizing jars and plates at 76-78 degrees and I fruit at 73-75. If I'm working from spores I also try to use as much genetic material as I can to get fruits. Then I work on isolating from the clones. Not sure if it's my process or luck, but I have never witnessed the crazy overlay personally.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh] 3
#28663628 - 02/17/24 09:37 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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From what I’ve seen overlay is genetic, I’m sure other variables can add or subtract to it but not enough to make a huge difference. For a while I was constantly running 5-6 new nat cultures simultaneously and saw all kinds of stuff.
When I first started with these I had ridiculous overlay even using different sections of my plates and taking clones and finally went back to spores and got some normal results.
I’ve had some crazy plates too where the mycelium covered the lid, climbed out the side under the wrap, swelled up until the whole plate looked like a marshmallow was crammed in there, normal natal stuff
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28663639 - 02/17/24 09:44 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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It would argue the fact favoring you, yes.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: A.k.a]
#28663640 - 02/17/24 09:44 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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I want to take mine back to spore now just to see if I can get a plate to blow up like that A.k.a
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: tree frog] 2
#28663657 - 02/17/24 09:56 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Alright, let’s find out. Inoculated 2-7 and incubated at 65 degrees Fahrenheit. Heavy overlay. Pseudo cased with just coir and verm 2-17. Now incubated at 80 degrees. Keep in mind, these are the same genetics that performed previously without overlay.



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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#28664978 - 02/18/24 06:44 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Insofar as overlay .... I've found the higher/more singular the bulk nutrient base ..... the better the chances of overlay. This is why for Nats ..... and all my other bulks I use pasteurized at 140f for 2 hours ->
1PartHmanure:1PartChoppedWheatStraw:1PartCoir:1PartVerm:1/2PArtPerlite + 3% white powdered gypsum by wet weight. All parts Except the gypsum added dry by volume and then hydrated. All hydration done with water dosed with hydrated lime at 6 grams per gallon. Tap water is fine
Then I ALWAYS case with pasteurized at 140f for 2 hours 50/50 peat casing hydrated with same water recipe and also add 3% gypsum by wet weight to the casing. My experience is that Nats ... like Pans .... seem to like the "Hey fool .... you outa food and need to start making babies" signal. This is just my experience and is not intended as advice or expertise.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: PhreakFakt0r]
#28665025 - 02/18/24 07:26 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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So you’re saying they like a nutritious sub or not? I just run them coir and verm, no casing
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#28665030 - 02/18/24 07:30 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Genetics and environment. Different cultures are going to prefer different substrates and grains (and everything else). Though there's going to be strong tendencies in the species that are worth investigating. And epigenetics is a factor too (genetics adapting to the environment).
If we look at 20 year old cube grows, people struggled with overlay a lot back then too, before cubes were well domesticated. I.e. growers (and the mycelium through epigenetics) selected genetics that preferred a certain environment over many generations and overlay was mostly bred out of subsequent generations.
That said, I'm going to poo jar my next Nat grow lol
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: tree frog]
#28665045 - 02/18/24 07:45 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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I instantly stopped getting overlay when I stopped using a top layer. Went from 100% overlay tubs to 0.
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I top dressed mine with 50/50 coir/verm.
I plan to fruit it at 75+ with 90%+ humidity with my Pans.
We'll see what the Black Cap Nats are doing with it.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: SupaThaRipper] 1
#28665057 - 02/18/24 07:54 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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SupaThaRipper said: So you’re saying they like a nutritious sub or not? I just run them coir and verm, no casing
In my experience they seem to like nutes but not too much AND they seem to like a diverse bulk substrate and not a singular item substrate. On this note I've had B+ ... back in the day ... overlay on Coir+CoffeeGrinds before whereas NOT overlay on a more diverse food source so I think diversity in life is a good thing. They seem to respond well to a short vegetative runs as a result of NotTooMuchNutes. My subs are generally fully colonized in 2 weeks or less. Further, in that UltraLowToNo nutes peat based 50/50 they seem to get the message of dwindling food source and jump right into making threads through the casing and then on to sexy time. Keep in mind, this is in my environment. I live in USDA Plant Hardiness Zone 6 that has plentiful water. My contam/competitor load is high AND I'm remodeling so ...... there's both borate and sheetrock dust EVERYWHERE. My experience may not replicate itself in your environment and/or might need some modification to be successful.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: PhreakFakt0r]
#28665085 - 02/18/24 08:07 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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I mean you could be right with the nutrient thing even though I never supplemented my substrate before with them. This sub colonized in a week. If it’s anything like mycelium on agar, clearly the mycelium was hungry and searching for food.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: SupaThaRipper] 1
#28665634 - 02/18/24 02:13 PM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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SupaThaRipper said: I mean you could be right with the nutrient thing even though I never supplemented my substrate before with them. This sub colonized in a week. If it’s anything like mycelium on agar, clearly the mycelium was hungry and searching for food.
At least for me it seem diversity of substrate material coupled with no jamming as much nute into the substrate as is humanly possible is key. Then after that a casing layer that loudly signals a lack of food BUT a GREAT micro-environment. It seems they like a meal of Meat-and-potatoes with plenty of greens and then a good reason to go for a jog to run off all that diverse food so they're ready to make babies. Of course .... genetics is still a HUGE player in outcome. Some days they's genetics that just won't make you happy.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: PhreakFakt0r]
#28667333 - 02/19/24 07:16 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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To differentiate them the most cubes do doses you tried before and think back maybe,?
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NorCal 311] 2
#28667350 - 02/19/24 07:32 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Got back today and super happy. There were a few dropped spores and I took two prints from the biggest ones. I harvested both today misted them and cased one again with jiffy mix. I want to see if there will be a difference in the second flush!

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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NorCal 311]
#28667698 - 02/20/24 05:15 AM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Hello, I haven't seen many photos of psilocybin natal super strain. I received a syringe from a trusted vendor and this is what I have. They don't look like the nats I see on this page
The first picture is a second flush. These are really short. The original flush was taller and bigger .The second picture is the beginning of a first flush of another box.
Does anybody have insight into the super strain? I guess I'm mostly just checking if these can be nats and somebody along the line worked on getting a chunkier version to sell as super strain?
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: autumn leaves]
#28667702 - 02/20/24 05:21 AM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Take a pic under the cap, where the gills attach to the stem and cap. That is the surest way to tell if they are nats. Unfortunately I am not experienced enough to tell the difference by your pics, if they were a bit more mature, I probably could recognise them.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: autumn leaves]
#28667703 - 02/20/24 05:21 AM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Some vendors sell the natalensis as nss but others have made a clear differentiation between the 2. It doesn't help that Alan Rockefeller sequenced NSS and said it was the same as Natalensis. But from first hand experience there are differences between the 2 so I believe his original sequence was merely due to his source material.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Skropi] 1
#28667708 - 02/20/24 05:28 AM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Thank you. These are three different mushrooms. What am I looking for under the cap?
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