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Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community * 2
    #28662208 - 02/16/24 12:59 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Hi everyone!

I'm curious to know your subjective views of the impact had on yourself, others and your community when the country or state you live in has legalised psychedelics or other drugs.

Some things to ponder?

Has it impacted the mainstream party scene?
Are there reports of more or less safety issues?
Has the drugs replaced alcohol in some areas, and in your opinion is this for the best?
Do you have any ideas about whether the legalisation has reduced the number of deaths caused by people who would otherwise not call for medical help due to fear of prosecution?

Please reply with where you live, if you feel comfortable. I'm curious to know of the progressive areas in the world. I'm from Vic, Australia, so most drugs are still illegal, but prosecution for small amounts is unlikely in most areas

Thanks!

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: ellamush]
    #28662557 - 02/16/24 04:26 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Denver/Boulder/Fort Collins Colorado. Weed is all out in the open and has been for a while nothing to see here. Psychedelics are sorta the same. If certain music acts come through town it's not unusual to see crackers and balloons and shit outside of venues. Red Rocks brings out a certain crowd that gets down very hard. But the second mushrooms were decriminalized in Denver, I started seeing legit consumer products hit the underground. It very much mirrored what a lot of legal weed products look like. Chocolate bars made with commercial equipment and presented in high quality, albeit wasteful, packaging.

I started doing drugs in like 2005 so it's been surreal to watch it all emerge from the darkness into the light.


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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: KevinDontWave]
    #28662571 - 02/16/24 04:30 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

They are going the other way here, total ban on vapes comes into effect in 2 weeks.  :facepalm:


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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: ellamush]
    #28662682 - 02/16/24 05:24 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

alcohol should be more controlled in many places. However, due to the fact that alcohol causes many people to say what they really think, it could be a good thing.
Think about it this way, in todays world, when someone gets a bit tipsy and says something, they really can't take it back, can they? Not on some platforms. So yeah, I'd say alcohol is both good and bad on that point.

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: harryk]
    #28662767 - 02/16/24 06:16 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

In North Carolina, cannabis with a ^9THC concentration of 0.3 percent by weight is considered illegal. However recently, it's been decriminalized with lesser punishments than before. One of the big things we've been seeing is hemp shops selling things like ^8THC or hemp with high natural levels of THCA concentration. Frankly, that's what I smoke now. It's too easy to go buy THCA hemp vs regular weed and to be honest, I enjoy it better. The stuff being grown these days is so freaking strong and I don't normally like being blitzed.

I think mushrooms as a whole are gaining more general acceptance across the United States. I talk with my boss and most coworkers about psychedelics all the time without any fear of being chastised. There's  general acceptance.

Maybe it'll be legalized one day and I'll happily revisit this thread to give you an update. One day 🥲


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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: Northerner]
    #28663201 - 02/16/24 10:16 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Vapes are super annoying. A lot of people who vape have no concern for the effect their actions have on others, doing it on buses, trains, trams, at shopping centres etc. at least smokers have some etiquette about it.

I don't think there's any confirmed negative effects of vaping, but I can't see it being good for you. Also, a bunch of kids are genuine addicts, and we have to stop more of them from going down that path. What else can be done?

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: Orioncat]
    #28663212 - 02/16/24 10:22 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

People are super interested in mushrooms nowadays for some reason. I reckon its because of all the psychedelic therapy stuff and a general understanding that the risks are lower than most other drugs. Weed use is completely acceptable now, even in polite society.

Acid still has a "fry your brain" sort of image about it though, unfortunately.

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: yeahnahmate]
    #28663239 - 02/16/24 10:50 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Acid still has a "fry your brain" sort of image about it though, unfortunately.




So true. There is this misconception that because something is natural, it's better for you than something synthetic. I've heard people say "acid is just a bunch of chemicals, it's terrible for you" right after talking about DMT and mushrooms. LSD is a victim of the war on drugs.


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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: yeahnahmate]
    #28664387 - 02/17/24 06:43 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Vapes are super annoying. A lot of people who vape have no concern for the effect their actions have on others, doing it on buses, trains, trams, at shopping centres etc. at least smokers have some etiquette about it.

I don't think there's any confirmed negative effects of vaping, but I can't see it being good for you. Also, a bunch of kids are genuine addicts, and we have to stop more of them from going down that path. What else can be done?




Kids don’t buy nicotine vapes from stores though. They buy them from dealers, so I can’t see how banning them will have any effect (other than maybe stopping some people who are concerned about the law).

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: Bardy]
    #28664474 - 02/17/24 07:22 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Stores lie a lot about the presence of nic in their vapes, and there's a couple well-known stores in my area that sell vapes to kids that genuinely look 13. What would you prefer the govt did?

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: yeahnahmate] * 1
    #28664521 - 02/17/24 07:38 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Punish those store owners

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: Bardy]
    #28664724 - 02/17/24 10:02 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Fewer vacant storefronts is a good thing.


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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: yeahnahmate] * 1
    #28664750 - 02/17/24 10:56 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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Stores lie a lot about the presence of nic in their vapes, and there's a couple well-known stores in my area that sell vapes to kids that genuinely look 13. What would you prefer the govt did?



Not treat the whole populace as children and tackle the actual problem of disposable vapes by funding customs to intercept them, rather than turn 1,000,000 Australians into criminals overnight.


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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: Northerner]
    #28664779 - 02/17/24 11:36 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Yeah, we are pretty behind here. The push pack with vapes and nicotine probably all started with the campaign against legal tobacco. Almost everyone I know who smokes buys black market tobacco nowadays. $30 per 50g pouch is a lot more enticing than $130. It's started turf wars that has led to firebombing of storefronts in Melbourne. But I don't blame those who purchase. It's tough enough out there financially as it is.

Honesty can't believe that for years in Canberra you can grow a couple of cannabis plants per household, for recreational use. As a sort of test the waters scenario in the capital state. But everywhere else Its still outright illegal or only for medical purposes?

I'm just grateful that I've got a punctual hookup that's essentially a cannabis courier business. Long gone are the days where I have to waste time trying to buy some with unreliable people. I'm not sure what legalization would do for prices or the black market.

Though I don't think psychedelics would become legal here to the public as a whole in my lifetime.
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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: Nickoloxious]
    #28664787 - 02/17/24 11:44 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

I can see psychedelics being decriminalised and weed being legalised in my lifetime -- as far as weed policy goes we weren't too far behind the US, decriminalising your first handful of possession charges in the 90s in most states, but they've pulled ahead as far as legalisation goes. Plus everyone here's smoked a bit of bud in their lifetime, there wasn't the massive scare like in the US.

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: yeahnahmate]
    #28664791 - 02/17/24 11:47 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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I can see psychedelics being decriminalised and weed being legalised in my lifetime --



Hope you're right! :mushroom2::bigweed:


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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: yeahnahmate]
    #28664944 - 02/18/24 06:15 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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there wasn't the massive scare like in the US.



We love a good moral panic.


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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: ellamush] * 2
    #28665628 - 02/18/24 02:11 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I can now go to a public gathering with dozens of people openly talking about their use of psychedelics without fear.

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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: ellamush]
    #28665776 - 02/18/24 04:08 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Hi everyone!

I'm curious to know your subjective views of the impact had on yourself, others and your community when the country or state you live in has legalised psychedelics or other drugs.

Some things to ponder?

Has it impacted the mainstream party scene?
Are there reports of more or less safety issues?
Has the drugs replaced alcohol in some areas, and in your opinion is this for the best?
Do you have any ideas about whether the legalisation has reduced the number of deaths caused by people who would otherwise not call for medical help due to fear of prosecution?

Please reply with where you live, if you feel comfortable. I'm curious to know of the progressive areas in the world. I'm from Vic, Australia, so most drugs are still illegal, but prosecution for small amounts is unlikely in most areas

Thanks!





I don't know of any country or state or city has legalized psychedelics at all, yet...

A handful of cities/municipalities in the U.S. have decriminalized psychedelics, and the state of Oregon has decriminalized ALL drugs...but as far as I know, no country or state or city has "legalized" psychedelics.


Fortunately I live in a small city/area that has decriminalized psychedelics, Humboldt county in California...The impact that it has had on myself, basically it has dissolved any concern & worry I have about my consumption or possession or cultivation(personal amounts) of such landing me behind bars. Though the aspect of decriminalization only applies within the city limits, even at the state level the laws in California are relatively relaxed in regard to personal possession of drugs (mostly just a slap on the wrist, some fines/potentially a misdemeanor).

Impacts on the local community...I've noticed more flyers at local stores/shopping centers, as well as posts on local websites, in regard to groups/discussions on topics related to psychedelics & microdosing, people offering "workshops" in regard to microdosing or working with mushrooms & psychedelics in general (mostly aimed towards folks that are totally new and naive to psychedelics). I've also noticed flyers & posts around the area advertising different ceremonies using plant medicines/psychedelics. And there has been an increase in "mushroom products", like chocolate bars and beverages and other various "edibles", seen in the "traditional market" and they're even popping up in a few smoke shops & weed stores. It also seems that there's been an increase in mushroom cultivation, the "market" for fungi is flooded around here.

Impacts on the party scene (shows, concerts, festivals, raves, etc)...I feel the decriminalization of psychedelics hasn't really had any impact on the party scene here. The area around here has had a lot of psychedelic use since the 60s, so people getting high on psyches and going out to party/bliss out is nothing new. LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, etc are all common substances used at parties around here and it has been that way for a long time now. There aren't any major/very large festivals/concerts/raves around the area but I'd hope to see drug-testing booths start to become the norm at such events.

I have not read up on any impacts that the decriminalization of psychedelics has had here in regard to the "safety" of the public and individual...Most folks that work with psychedelics aren't out on the street/in public or driving cars or acting a fool & wildin' out. I doubt there's been much of a change in that area.

Impact on alcohol consumption...Hard tellin' :shrug: . I don't at all think that the decriminalization of psychedelics has had a major impact on the consumption of alcohol. I feel those that like to drink/get drunk are still going to drink & get drunk, psychedelics aren't really a replacement for the effect/buzz of alcohol. And something I've observed over the years, most folks that really like their alcohol tend to not have a good time on psychedelics lol. Personally, I enjoy a couple beers/ciders/drinks once a month or two but when I'm tripping I rarely have interest in having a beer/alcohol....As far as partying goes, I much prefer psychedelics over alcohol.

I believe there's been changes in the law in a lot of states & municipalities in regard to someone calling 911 about an overdose and the caller/other folks involved being protected/safe from potential prosecution (like if there's drugs in the house or if one has drugs in their possession, etc).




There is a new initiative in California, if it passes it will fully legalize (not just decriminalize) psychedelics across the state (mushrooms, mescaline not derived from peyote, DMT, ayahuasca, LSD, MDMA, allll psychedelics) . It will allow therapists to use them in therapy sessions (like what's happening in Oregon) as well as reccomend psychedelics to their patients, it will allow businesses to become licensed to cultivate plant-based psychedelics, it will allow people to grow their own at home/be in possession of/and share with others.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XeWxxrFW5KiCWcBZ8UrWrbvl6eRoyMi1/edit

It still has a long way to go to even get on the ballot though...And the last couple years there's been another initiative/bill of sorts aimed at decriminalizing psychedelics across the state, tho it hasn't passed yet.

Within 5 years I expect to see statewide decriminalization of psychedelics in Cali or Colorado. Personally, I prefer decriminalization over full legalization of psychedelics; where one can grow their own at home, be in possession of such, consume such, share with others, allow therapists to use them in therapy, but not allowing commercial production or sales of such from a store front, basically keeping it illegal to sell any psychedelics substances but allowing people to grow/consume/possess/ and share them...Keep it all in the hands of the people and out of capitalism.

I'm totally OK with stores selling mushroom grow kits/spores/substrate, cuttings of cacti or rooted/potted mescaline containing cacti (besides peyote), live plants that contain DMT or botanical material that contains DMT (like acacia & mimosa bark), live plants or dried botanical material of any psychoactive plant...basically an "entheogen"/psychoactive plant supply store that has everything one needs but doesn't directly sell mushroom-fruits or any sort of active extracts that can be consumed directly/immediately....That's part of the utopian dream I have of how I'd like to see these plants/medicines become "legal" and woven into our soceity.





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Re: Effects of the legalisation of psychedelics and other drugs in your community [Re: openmind]
    #28667455 - 02/19/24 09:50 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

They can’t even legalize weed where I live

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