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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: spinvis]
#28661838 - 02/16/24 09:01 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Only when the mind is completely free from yesterday, and is therefore not using the present as a means to the future, is it capable of receiving the eternal….
True...I guess, however interpreting the eternal into discussion involves characteristics of Yesterday. Taking prejudices into account will limit what can be said.
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We may agree that the eternal coincides with our prejudices = karma (do as you would be done by)
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"Am I conscious now?"
The process is refreshing from a teacher. The dialogue reminded me of in reciting mantras, sometimes I feel I wasn't conscious or aware and go back and repeat a verse to try to hear it, so I watch myself, and I realize in each present one I am there even if forgetting it seconds later.
She was never not conscious; in the forgetfulness she describes, its mark is only dukkha, the way I see it. While dukkha may be a problem, I appreciate the gradual realization than one is never not present which may in itself take care of the former. Same as the loving or appreciation.
If that is the case, what is the hateful or fearful? Do these and being present preclude each other? As she said, the presence annihilates as light to darkness.
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro] 1
#28662329 - 02/16/24 02:09 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I appreciate the gradual realization than one is never not present
Here is Ray Bradbury's perspective described in fiction:
(Cecy is a witch)




When Anne had the bit in her mouth she was able to subdue the influence.
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro] 2
#28662330 - 02/16/24 02:09 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Are quotes supposed to specifically intend one meaning ? Does it depend on the quote? Can there be multiple meanings to a quote? Implying at personal interpretation here
All just random food for thought posting without thinking too much on it 
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Once you label me you negate me.
- Soren Kierkegaard
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 54. The true nature of things is to be known personally , through the eyes of clear illumination and not through a sage : what the moon exactly is , is to be known with one's own eyes ; can another make him know it?
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syncro
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"Can there be multiple meanings to a quote?"
Of course, as has been said, we can replace any word or words with "quichquatch".
As like, Bosco! Quichquatch! Bosco?
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I appreciate the gradual realization than one is never not present
Here is Ray Bradbury's perspective described in fiction:
We're talking about Zen type presence and you take it to black magic possession. 
Well, that is the next step.
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro] 1
#28662374 - 02/16/24 02:46 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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It is though an interesting mindfulness described.
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro]
#28662385 - 02/16/24 02:52 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I cannot believe I spend most of my life in a kind of darkness. Surely that cannot be so.
Have it your way...Zen.
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syncro
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connectedcosmos said:
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Once you label me you negate me.
- Soren Kierkegaard
There can be good affirming labels though with unbounded meaning.
Often our names have timeless meanings of grace and such.
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I cannot believe I spend most of my life in a kind of darkness. Surely that cannot be so.
Have it your way...Zen.
I get it and you're right in that. So we are possessed in forgetfulness by the authorities say.
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro]
#28662441 - 02/16/24 03:29 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Standards - prejudices; alien customs resulting in different countries and languages; the Buddhist Nirvana, a rejection of life as we know it is alien to me, a selfish-seeming bandaid opiate for the downtrodden, and yet perhaps a Nirvana pyramid exists, a separate country with their own language and custom-predjudices. Sure, Christians expect to emmigrate to a different place upon death and I wouldn't deny them that if such a place exists, but here and now I wrestle with the standards and prejudices of a perspective that would have it's own way if it can, and me a neophyte saying "oops, looks like you got that wrong."
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To emulate Bradbury's prose I'll say "Why did I say that?"
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It kind of goes to my perception of Nietzsche's overmaking of the duality. Are higher qualities, nirvana any less a part of nature? If spirit nature and God, nirvana are not natural, existent, well, that may be a place of disagreement, but it is none other than mind, consciousness or awareness. Can we say it's different from life?
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro] 2
#28662559 - 02/16/24 04:26 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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The conjuring of a roundtable populated by an assortment of authorities is an exercise that transcends time and space...and personal beliefs.
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The Saturn matrix perhaps.
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It goes much, to me, to purification and sadhana, study, in general. Who is beyond the other, the teacher, or the conjuring authorities?
For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
Within, what is superior, the very presence of oneself, or dynamics of thought? Certainly unwanted thought and its effects do not last.
In general I mean, we wake each day with some distance from what we did the day before that was unskilled. But you're right - perhaps there are personal authorities that can be more easily handled in good times, and then there are larger authorities where the mind goes into some cosmic doom, futility. Yet I realized when writing that, if taking care of the personal authorities, where are the great ones?
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro] 1
#28663641 - 02/17/24 09:44 AM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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The the great ones biding their time learning to give way to let the children play
"Who will be Napoleon amongst us?" the children say "Or Gandhi, or Rousseau who's main belief is that society corrupts the soul?"
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Maybe there is gridlock in the houses.
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Re: Quotes Discussion [Re: syncro] 1
#28663810 - 02/17/24 11:32 AM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Om mani padme hum Oh man#1 pad my hum
"Rocky Mountain Way Is better than the way we had"
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill"
There is gridlock?
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