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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: tree frog]
#28661704 - 02/16/24 07:07 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I love everyone trying to reason with him. He's had a schizophrenic break. No one is going to convince him to change.
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I hear ya.
But I'm also posting for posterity.
edit: He's back on ban. I reported him as soon as I saw the hate speech. I'm probably not the only one though.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: tree frog]
#28661868 - 02/16/24 09:15 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I miss him already.
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It was entertaining.
I guess I like drama lol
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: tree frog]
#28661929 - 02/16/24 09:45 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Over 700 posts... Were they all this stupid?
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: Rukus]
#28661947 - 02/16/24 10:00 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I looked at his ratings when I saw some of the previous threads.
It looks like they registered while stable, left for awhile, and came back while going through some shit.
@happiness I'd be happy to change my rating fyi when and if you get stable. It's more of a warning for others then a judgement about you as a person.
We all go through shit. Calling people names and using hate speech shits up the shroomery though.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: tree frog] 2
#28662055 - 02/16/24 11:12 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I mean, just the fact he identifies as Masta Killah is proof enough for me that he is in fact NOT GOD.
Masta killah….probably the most irrelevant memeber of the core Wu-tang Clan. I mean, what he spit, on two tracks on 36 Chambers?!?! Dude didn’t even make the line up in the opening of “M-e-t-h-o-d M-a-n” Rza Gza Ol’ dirty bastard Inspecktah deck Raekwon the chef UGod Ghostface killah and the Method man I mean come on-A real “God” would obviously identify as Method Man or Raekwon for fucks sake .

In all seriousness and All jokes aside though I hope the guy gets the help he needs. Truly wish him the best.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: Soloist]
#28662057 - 02/16/24 11:13 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Raekwon the ninja
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28662311 - 02/16/24 01:59 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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tree frog said: edit: He's back on ban. I reported him as soon as I saw the hate speech. I'm probably not the only one though.
Just cause someone says they hate something/someone does not make hate speech. Hate speech is abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds.
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Happinessfeeling said: treat me with such cruelty and hostility and abuse my heart
One may wonder how he would have responded if he wasn't told that he's 95% bullshit, like if the writing was treated as art rather than with disdain.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: Northerner]
#28662395 - 02/16/24 02:58 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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I agree with most of what you're saying.
I should have been kinder. He does have some sick lines and @happiness I apologize for my words.
@northener, just going to quote you.
"or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds."
Is it hate speech if I call a black dude a ni****?
Because he called a bi dude a fag this morning. And it's words like that that keep from generally being open about being bi. Which is, kinda the intention of hate speech.
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A great deal of bullying is related to the (perceived) sexuality of young people (especially boys). The regular negative use of words such as ‘queer’ or ‘fag’ is often traumatising for those perceived as gays and lesbians. This is very likely one of the reasons why many gays and lesbians only ‘come out’ after secondary school.
https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/verbal-violence-and-hate-speech
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: tree frog]
#28662416 - 02/16/24 03:13 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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tree frog said: Is it hate speech if I call a black dude a ni****?
No, that's plain old racism.
Hate speech has prejudiced hateful intention. I really don't think that's what it was. Offensive yeah sure maybe, it was a retaliation from perceived belittling, but I don't think it meets the hate speech test.
Let saner minds prevail now. We're all family here.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: Northerner]
#28662429 - 02/16/24 03:23 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Yeah, fair enough. I stirred the hornet's nest.
And I've found more understanding for happinessfeeling.
So, I agree his intentions were to defend himself. But he still did it using the language of hate towards people like myself. In another thread he was dropping KKKs. My partner is jewish.
Allowing language like this to go unchecked on the boards I think could turn off a lot of good people that might otherwise get a lot out of PE.
But, I get that walking the line between free speech and hate speech isn't easy, and you're the mod. I guess if it really starts to bother me, I'll just drop in here less and chill more in MC.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: tree frog]
#28662448 - 02/16/24 03:31 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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well shoot, banned again.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: tree frog] 2
#28662449 - 02/16/24 03:31 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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If there's actual directions of hate please toot that whistle immediately and it will be dealt with extremely seriously.
Flaming, like HF was banned for is unacceptable as well and will be corrected and dealt with as well.
The moderation team here are on everyone's side. We care.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: Northerner]
#28662461 - 02/16/24 03:36 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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I think we're still having different definitions of hate speech. The guy was talking about killing people while posting KKKs and calling people fags in the last thread of his I dropped into.
I know 10 years ago it was socially acceptable to drop shit like that all over. But as a bi person even casual use of this type of language, jokes even (non-violent ones). They fucking cut dude.
I've struggled with my sexuality my whole life because of that word. And if sticking around here means I get called a fag, regardless of the person's intentions, I might not.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: Northerner]
#28662477 - 02/16/24 03:42 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Happinessfeeling said: treat me with such cruelty and hostility and abuse my heart
One may wonder how he would have responded if he wasn't told that he's 95% bullshit, like if the writing was treated as art rather than with disdain.
You don't have to agree with my stance or condone it but I think it's kinda gross to fetishize his mental illness symptoms as art. Philip K Dick was lucid enough to transmute his symptoms into actual art but he also didn't antagonize strangers by claiming to be GOD. He knew he was schizophrenic and did his best to interpret them. He didn't just believe his hallucinations wholesale and get really defensive when people rightfully called him out about them.
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Yeah, that's kinda the point I was unskillfully trying to make.
He's a good writer but I've had less skilled writers bring me to tears because they knew how to touch their audience by being open and vulnerable.
I know my shit was unskillful. Part of me wanted to encourage him. And another part was triggered by his KKKs and fag remarks in the other thread.
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tree frog said: The guy was talking about killing people while posting KKKs
That is certainly hate speech, please report immediately.
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tree frog said: calling people fags
Also not acceptable, please report and ignore it rather than quoting it. It will be dealt with and removed.
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tree frog said: I know 10 years ago it was socially acceptable to drop shit like that all over. But as a bi person even casual use of this type of language, jokes even (non-violent ones). They fucking cut dude.
I've struggled with my sexuality my whole life because of that word. And if sticking around here means I get called a fag, regardless of the person's intentions, I might not.
The mod team is here to help you. We do not ignore reports. We care.
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Northerner said:
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Happinessfeeling said: treat me with such cruelty and hostility and abuse my heart
One may wonder how he would have responded if he wasn't told that he's 95% bullshit, like if the writing was treated as art rather than with disdain.
You don't have to agree with my stance or condone it but I think it's kinda gross to fetishize his mental illness symptoms as art. Philip K Dick was lucid enough to transmute his symptoms into actual art but he also didn't antagonize strangers by claiming to be GOD. He knew he was schizophrenic and did his best to interpret them. He didn't just believe his hallucinations wholesale and get really defensive when people rightfully called him out about them.
Yeah maybe man. Really I'm doing my best, just presenting alternate perspectives. Hopefully after this break he is feeling better.
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Re: A Verse To Shut You All Up [Re: Northerner]
#28662523 - 02/16/24 04:02 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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Okay. I won't quote that shit in the future and just report it.
I do appreciate you. It's not the easiest stuff to balance.
And I hope he's feeling better too.
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I come from a home where happiness is sometimes second nature, and pain and fear reign. What type of kids do you think an environment like this will raise.
I see your concerns but I don't hit home with them yet.
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