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Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. 1
#28660084 - 02/14/24 08:33 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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What are the political arguments today. If lesbians should be able to have sex? and if we should ban a book with porn in it from school? Like what is going on?
While they distract us with stupid arguments they continue to spend billions over budget and get us further in debt with not a care in the world. They continue to spend billions overseas while thousands of americans suffer. They ignore pressing problems, like the fact that our "medicare" was written and approved by big pharma. These are not conspiracies but general facts.
Doesn't matter if you vote old joe, or loud trump. Both continue the path that america is on and does nothing to fix our problems. Why do you think it is that you never really notice the difference when a new president comes to office. Quit following a party and start following common sense. People should be able to do what they want so long as it doesn't harm or affect others in a negative way. People should get some form of healthcare if they choose from their government who taxes them a lot for nothing. People should get the freedom to make their own choices.
Democrats used to be the party of anti-war. Now look at them.
Republicans used to be the party of small government.
We used to all agree on a wide range of things, and disagree on the major things. We used to all share a culture as americans. Now it seems like everything is political. It's political to say we want low debt. It's political to say you don't think illegal immigration is okay. We should all agree it is not okay and look for ways to fix the problem, not just a wall but legally speaking. We need a better way for asylum seekers to apply for asylum and an expedited visa process. We need to go back to the way it was prior bill clinton, where mexicans could come over for seasonal work and leave as they please.
At this point I have no hope for America. This country, like most, votes for the loudest candidate. Nobody cares about RFK Jr. or Vivek. Two candidates who talked with reason and backed a lot of their statements with facts and sources. Even open to debate people who disagreed. But we don't care. We are told what to do and do it. We don't care what the right choice as long as our tribe wins the war. When will we realize the people running for office are never the best for the job. Once the TV was invented it was over for intellectual discourse, just who ever got the best one liner.
EDIT: I would also like to add bernie sanders. I enjoyed his joe rogan episode, although I disagree on a lot of things that he thinks, some major things like ridding big pharma of their control is general a good idea. If that means getting rid of patents or what not is it better to try it then not do anything. We should build a culture of experimenting and being able to accept when we are wrong and to reverse decision or try something totally different if it doesn't work. We must admit we are not 100% correct and we must also admit we know nothing in a lot of fields. A lot of european countries seem to know exactly what to do and whats right, but I feel like that'ss just an outsiders point of view, they have made mistakes in the past and they have reversed a lot of them. I wish I could name some countries but I can't remember specifics. If you don't want to believe me that's fine, but the bigger picture still stands.
How can one recover from a state like this? Where we see ourselves as more separate than together. What happened to isolationist America?
Luv u.
And get our troops out of the middle east. I was stationed in Qatar for 6 months and didn't know why the fuck I was there. What a waste of time, money and energy from the US government. Does not benefit us in anyway. Fuck the oil. Let them figure it out themselves, we are not the worlds police.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Peopleschoice]
#28660107 - 02/14/24 08:52 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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One thing Biden did get a right for medicare to negotiate drug prices even though when passed in the bush admin they made that impossible. Baby steps? Maybe, but one that is in the right direction. I admit that I only skim read your post. You lost me at I have no hope for america.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Peopleschoice]
#28660142 - 02/14/24 09:19 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Donald Trump incited an insurrection. Said “I want to establish a dictatorship day one.” I want to continue to have choices and freedoms so it’s not even a debate.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: gww] 1
#28660157 - 02/14/24 09:33 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Well that's good. In reality, it wasn't him who did it. It was congress and others who have an ear to biden. Sad that the democratic party didn't try to get someone else. Biden is not a good look for america from a foreign policy perspective and is a warmonger like all presidents before.
It's just sad how we have come to this. Maybe I'm a pessimist.
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#28660164 - 02/14/24 09:40 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I am a person of reason. A skeptic one may say. Though I don't know exactly what you are referring to. I agree with trump on many things and disagree with many more. Obviously he is a loud, obnoxious, rude and a liar. But one of the most important things to me, was his views on our military in the middle east and getting our troops out. Though in the end he couldn't wrangle the controls on the MIC he got the idea out to many more americans which is important.
You must also realize. You can't make america a dictator ship. We have checks and balances. He also did not incite an insurrection. I'm not even a republican and I don't believe that shit. There is too much information involving the FBI in january 6th to believe that. This is another point. You will probably judge me right away after I said that, instead of trying to convince me otherwise or find proof. But it's just not true, they would have found him guilty if it was. Innocent until proven guilty where did that ever go? If (and you may say when) he is found guilty, I will believe it, because the court was given evidence for both sides and determined based on facts.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Peopleschoice]
#28660168 - 02/14/24 09:42 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Donald Trump doesn’t seem to agree with you.
His sentencing date is set. They’ve pushed it back. But he already was found guilty. They’re just going to decide how to punish him for it.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Peopleschoice]
#28660191 - 02/14/24 10:19 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Peopleschoice said: I am a person of reason. A skeptic one may say. Though I don't know exactly what you are referring to. I agree with trump on many things and disagree with many more. Obviously he is a loud, obnoxious, rude and a liar. But one of the most important things to me, was his views on our military in the middle east and getting our troops out. Though in the end he couldn't wrangle the controls on the MIC he got the idea out to many more americans which is important.
You must also realize. You can't make america a dictator ship. We have checks and balances. He also did not incite an insurrection. I'm not even a republican and I don't believe that shit. There is too much information involving the FBI in january 6th to believe that. This is another point. You will probably judge me right away after I said that, instead of trying to convince me otherwise or find proof. But it's just not true, they would have found him guilty if it was. Innocent until proven guilty where did that ever go? If (and you may say when) he is found guilty, I will believe it, because the court was given evidence for both sides and determined based on facts.
Why worry about convincing you? You already said you couldn't be convinced and fbi and jan six and so already believing lies that you can not be convinced of not being true. Why waste time on you except to counter crap you might try and infect others with. First medicare and now stuff like this. Stay uninformed and depressed if you are so set on it. Go join your local paramilitary play soldier and live in misery. You don't even seem to know the military things trump did order. It is one thing to have legitimate criticisms but made up stuff don't count. Get out of your bubble and you may feel better or at least feel bad about real stuff then stuff that is not even real.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28660380 - 02/15/24 05:15 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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What most don't get (those on the fence for Trump) is that the type(s) of damage Trump inflicted on the US has not come to full fruition yet. I believe it will be generational with a slog to try and reverse the course. Somethings take time to set in. Another 4 years would do even more.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Peopleschoice] 1
#28660416 - 02/15/24 06:13 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Doesn't matter if you vote old joe, or loud trump. Both continue the path that america is on and does nothing to fix our problems. Why do you think it is that you never really notice the difference when a new president comes to office. Quit following a party and start following common sense
It's funny how you start out giving the impression you would like to see a third party or something but then just two comments later :
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I agree with trump on many things .....He also did not incite an insurrection.
Everyone who hates both parties likes Trump . It's the same bullshit over and over .
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Psilynut2]
#28660428 - 02/15/24 06:39 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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And they pretend to like jfk hoping to get trump elected if they can just convince somebody to be dumb enough. They think tulsi gabbard is a real democrate. Hang on every word tucker, putin and ron paul say. But they are not supporting donald trump except when they open thier mouth or put fingers to the key board.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Psilynut2]
#28660444 - 02/15/24 07:16 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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That and people who actually hate Trump, will still vote for him.... he can harness the negative favorability into votes. I don't know if this is a new thing but certainly not on this scale.
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Peopleschoice]
#28660743 - 02/15/24 12:24 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Nothing will get better in America until things get considerably worse for the average American. And seeing as how that probably won’t happen in the short window we have before irreversible climate catastrophe, I’d say the only feasible solution to the problem is America would have to be destroyed. But that won’t happen without us taking the rest of the planet with us so we are all likely fucked.
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#28660759 - 02/15/24 12:43 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Simple google search proved you wrong. He was pushing back his immunity case which was arguing if he COULD be prosecuted. Come on man. Its obvious you hate the guy. Let's work on the solutions together my brother.
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#28660765 - 02/15/24 12:48 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I don't believe I ever said I couldnt be convinced. Thats very rude man. I was just trying to start a conversation.
January 6th has not been proven by a court of law to have been started by trump. Until then it is hearsay. That's not my opinion that is how the law works.
There have been reports of the FBI being involved in those said riots. That's not hearsay either.
If you can convince me otherwise I would gladly listen. No need to be rude man, my whole initial premise was that we shouldn't attack each other over political parties and these political idols that we so hold dear to our hearts for some reason. Debates are the only way to bring people together, remaining stubborn and saying I am wrong but not trying to tell me why then casting me out is the reason we have so much hatred in our culture today. I am not depressed at our situation either, just taking a realistic look at our situation and how its going.
Over all I hope you at least regret being so hostile to someone you don't even know, I thought chill people were on this site.
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#28660774 - 02/15/24 12:54 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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If you quote the whole thing, I say I agree with trump on many thing AND disagree on MANY MORE. The guy is not likeable but I agree with things he has to say. If you are going to tell me you disagree with everything that comes out of his mouth, then you are a fool and must being a political party simp. We are all americans and can all share some level of agreement.
Since he has not been found guilty in a court of law, he is innocent of inciting an insurrection. I am a US citizen, and I believe in innocent before proven guilty. For everything, especially something so serious as that.
If you truly want to know I am a libertarian by definition. I believe in our social and economic freedom from our government. So me and trump disagree on tariffs, immigration, somewhat the military, and a lot more that I can't name of.
This shouldn't be a discussion on MY personal beliefs though. I want to discuss how we all fall in love in a party and refuse to open our minds to solutions to our problems. I should be able to say I love stalin and we should be able to have a discussion about it without people personally attacking me.
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#28660781 - 02/15/24 12:56 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I can see your point. Stuck between a rock and a hard place in many's eyes. But I think they all fail to see that a lot of people feel that way. And if they all just had enough confidence to vote for someone else then we could get out of this 2 party state.
I personally will be voting for RFK Jr. or the libertarian candidate (depends on who they choose) as I think the status quo is failing the american people and we need new ideas in the oval office (and congress for that).
How do you think we can move forward from here?
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#28660793 - 02/15/24 01:03 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I think thats mostly true. We have never had a politician so vocal and "non-statesman like". All presidents before have been good statemen, such as they lie and say what people want to hear to calm the masses. I think thats good for the majority of people (as trump has proven) who can get easily offended and angry and hostile when people disagree with them. But that opens the door to a wider issue within american society which has been on the rise since 2013 (or 2014 I think), which is fragility of thought. I read a great book called "The Coddling of the American Mind". Great book that I would recommend to anyone who is interested in the topic of how we have come to where we are now. Where students need safe spaces and can't handle those who disagree with them, etc. So trump definitely excelled that thought and ignited something that was already burning in many. I think thats why a lot of people blame him but I think this problem would have come about naturally later if he didn't run/get elected.
I will definitely take some time for the next generation to realize genz was the issue. Hopefully we can all get back on the track of disagreeing with others in a respectful way.
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#28660805 - 02/15/24 01:10 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I love making assumptions as much as the next guy. But I am right here.
Tusli gabbard is a real democrat. Sorry to burst the bubble. But from what I have heard she is anti-war, anti-big pharma, pro-health care, etc. What the democratic party was a couple decades ago. If you have anything to say otherwise I would love to hear it.
Tucker is definitely unique, he is not a mainstream guy and yet he was given this massive audience, definitely has some hot takes that are wrong but some that should be questioned. Overall seems like a well meaning guy and from the other stuff I have heard, he is not a normal republican or MAGA fan.
Putin... Ok, doesn't even relate to these guys. A literal former USSR spy, obviously believes in some communist values and he has ran the country for nearly 20 years, but I can see why you would want to lump him into the others. Easy way to discredit them and all their opinions. Lets stop doing that exact thing, thats what I was writing about.
Ron paul, I love a lot of his books and he was a true libertarian. Sad that the republican party strayed away from fiscal responsibility. The two parties are almost identical now.
Again if you read my original post you would have read that I disagree with trump more than I agree. You dont have to 100% hate or 100% love someone, you can see them for who they are and agree on certain issues they bring up. That's just how life is.
I don't even understand the first sentence lmao. No hate brother only love
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Re: Democrat or Republican. Same policy. Rant. But truth. [Re: Peopleschoice]
#28660814 - 02/15/24 01:20 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I may be rude if you come on here spouting things that are being used as propaganda meant to spread lies. I had my own eyes and ears and the time to watch it all in real time as did the majority of america. I don't know you and you don't know me. You get to vote any way you want and nobody can stop you. You can believe all the crap you want and nobody can stop you. I can only go by what you post and the internet is full of the same. I didn't start out making claims on Medicare and not giving credit where credit was due or point out that guys wearing trump shirts just had to be fbi cause somebody with and agenda reported that. What is you agenda in just wanting to start a conversation but writing in a way that seems pretty preachy and in opposition of what you put forth as your openness. I seen you say plenty good about trump but nothing good about biden. Ain't my job to convince you but since I have no doubt, court or otherwise, that trump tried to cheat, I figure I should just guard against the stuff you already believe, because if you still believe some of that, I have never had luck wasting time on anyone else that spouts that stuff. Just why in the heck would the fbi want trump to win and so start a riot? If they did, well trump was boss at the time. It not being trump supporters goes beyond common sense. I can like people that are that stupid that I may know but I don't have to help them where they are wrong.
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#28660895 - 02/15/24 02:47 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Alright man, calm down. I was just pointing out the obvious. It's not propaganda, I could call what you are saying "propaganda" that doesn't help my views in anyway. You are putting words in my mouth, I just made a general claim which has some support to it. When the FBI director and another top FBI agent were asked if there were any federal assets involved in janurary 6th they replied "No comment". That gives me some proof that we should dive deeper into this issue. Its not lies if it has some backing. I am a skeptic and I don't just accept things and hold that for the rest of my life, I continue to question my whole life and I am easily swayed if given proof. It's just silly to say trump 100% did this when you have no proof, just as silly as it is to say the fbi 100% wasn't involved when they give questionable answers to simple questions.
This is all very logical to me. I have literally no interest in these problems as they dont directly affect me. But from looking at it from an unbiased (in some sense) way, I'd like to say that I don't know everything but from what I do know I question and look for more evidence.
I just don't know a lot about biden, he seems to have just continued the status quo of america. I bet he has done somethings that I agree with, I am just uninformed to tell you right now.
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