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    #28659784 - 02/14/24 04:03 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

So ive dabbled my toes into a few of the mushroom kits in the past with not much success so I started my journey the proper way on Jan 21st 2024. I inoculated 2x 1kg rye grain bags with 4cc B+ and other bag 4cc penis envy. The bags were fully colonized by 12th feb. I also made a small 1quart tub of my own brown rice spawn on the 3rd feb which also fully colonized by 12th feb. Seems fast? :shocked:

I don't have many pictures to show but I will take more from now on.


This is a 26litre monotub 3.5inch sub depth. 1-2 ratio of b+ rye grain. 1inch casing layer ontop. Day 2. Terrible picture had to take from a video Ill get a better one tomorrow daytime.


No pictures for the envy yet as no signs of growth yet but its day 2 after spawning to bulk. I've also removed masking tape and replaced with micropore tape so it has some FAE. Also to add all are liquid culture. I hope this time my quest works out :mushroom2:


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: TheDibber] * 3
    #28659795 - 02/14/24 04:10 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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I started my journey the proper way on Jan 21st 2024. I inoculated 2x 1kg rye grain bags with 4cc B+ and other bag 4cc



Sorry to be a party pooper, but shooting spores into bags is by no means the proper way.

Spores are inherently dirty and you are supposed to clean them up on agar first.

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Re: first time the proper way [Re: Yahra]
    #28659798 - 02/14/24 04:13 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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I started my journey the proper way on Jan 21st 2024. I inoculated 2x 1kg rye grain bags with 4cc B+ and other bag 4cc



Sorry to be a party pooper, but shooting spores into bags is by no means the proper way.

Spores are inherently dirty and you are supposed to clean them up on agar first.




Its done with a clean liquid culture of mycelium not spores.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: TheDibber] * 3
    #28659802 - 02/14/24 04:14 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

Did you test the LC for cleanliness on agar first?

First pic suggests otherwise.

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Re: first time the proper way [Re: Yahra]
    #28659806 - 02/14/24 04:18 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

I did and its fine, I think the issue with the first picture is its my own rice ive made myself so most likely something going on? What about the first pic is not too good? I couldn't PC I had to do the 2hour steam method.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: TheDibber] * 2
    #28659809 - 02/14/24 04:21 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

I don't use bags and i am not an expert but steaming bags for 2 hours seems not sufficient to me.

The sub on the first pic looks pretty contaminated to me.

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Re: first time the proper way [Re: Yahra]
    #28659814 - 02/14/24 04:25 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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I don't use bags and i am not an expert but steaming bags for 2 hours seems not sufficient to me.

The sub on the first pic looks pretty contaminated to me.




The bags were made by someone else who knows what their doing only the rice tub  I made myself. That is the tub in question so I've probably not sterilized it properly. That picture is of the bottom not the top of the substrate.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: Yahra]
    #28659815 - 02/14/24 04:26 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

Doesn’t look too bad, I would roll with it and see what happens.

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Re: first time the proper way [Re: dajerm119] * 1
    #28659834 - 02/14/24 04:38 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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Doesn’t look too bad, I would roll with it and see what happens.





I mean all the spawn looked and smelled 10/10 2days ago when I made the 2 26litre tubs up and the smaller tub so im hoping for the best. Im running out of libs now and I dont want to be in the situation I was in last year where all I wanted was a trip to try and push me the right direction as I know it helps me alot but I couldn't get any. I dont use them often but the thought of not having a few jars full for when I do need them actually scares me.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: TheDibber] * 3
    #28659883 - 02/14/24 05:20 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

See:pftek

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Re: first time the proper way [Re: Yahra] * 2
    #28659893 - 02/14/24 05:32 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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Did you test the LC for cleanliness on agar first?

First pic suggests otherwise.



You took the words right out of my mouth.:thumbup:


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: TheDibber]
    #28659897 - 02/14/24 05:34 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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Doesn’t look too bad, I would roll with it and see what happens.





I mean all the spawn looked and smelled 10/10 2days ago when I made the 2 26litre tubs up and the smaller tub so im hoping for the best. Im running out of libs now and I dont want to be in the situation I was in last year where all I wanted was a trip to try and push me the right direction as I know it helps me alot but I couldn't get any. I dont use them often but the thought of not having a few jars full for when I do need them actually scares me.



No offence to dajerm but, don't take advice from people with no grows. Your subs look funky, your process is off, and you likely won't yield well if you don't heed proper advice.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: TheDibber] * 2
    #28659900 - 02/14/24 05:35 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)


Sorry but, what part of that photo doesn't seem "too bad"?
That tub is fucked.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: HappinessStan] * 1
    #28660297 - 02/15/24 02:46 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

1day progression for b+ 26 litre tub day 3 of colonisation this looks good right? This is different grain to the small tub ive isolated the tub for now and im ready to toss it if any bad smells or colours appear.



Also the 26litre penis envy tub has a few small mycelium spots forming on the casing layer but not enough to be worthy of a photo just yet maybe tomorrow :mushroom2:


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: HappinessStan]
    #28660330 - 02/15/24 03:52 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Who says I have no grows? Nice talking about someone you don’t even know.
I said I would roll with it cause it is colonizing, he already has this tub made so he might as well let it run. It may not be a perfect grow but at least he can get something out of it while he is working on his process.

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Re: first time the proper way [Re: dajerm119]
    #28660351 - 02/15/24 04:25 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Am i getting the right jist here though? Are people worried about the first picture in the small tub? If so that was a hit and miss project as I knew I couldn't properly sterilize the grain so I did the 2hour steam bath method hence why its gone bacterial maybe? The other 2 bigger tubs are made with a rye grain made by someone who knows what their doing. I do understand penis envy take longer usually compared to b+ usually so that explains why one tub has much more growth on the casing layer on day 3 from spawn to bulk.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: TheDibber]
    #28660358 - 02/15/24 04:41 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

First tub  looks really funky and should be removed from the room where your other good trays are. Looks like a severely fucked tray in my opinion and you don’t want that shit spreading. Your PE tub looks exactly how I would expect it to look after a few days.

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Re: first time the proper way [Re: Mwj12977]
    #28660373 - 02/15/24 05:04 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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First tub  looks really funky and should be removed from the room where your other good trays are. Looks like a severely fucked tray in my opinion and you don’t want that shit spreading. Your PE tub looks exactly how I would expect it to look after a few days.





Thanks ive been worried sick all night haha, Ive removed the small tub its in another part of the property waiting to confirm its a gonner.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: TheDibber]
    #28660402 - 02/15/24 05:55 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

The first pic looks bacterial from the looks of it. Definitely looks unusual and not in good shape....

As mentioned above, dont squirt spore solution or drop spores directly onto grain. Very bad practice. You can get lucky with a clean syringe occassionally but what happens frequently is spores/spore syringes can carry a bunch of foreign infectious organisms that germinate easily on grain. Thats why its important to check your spores/spore syringe on agar first to confirm its clean then transfer a clean piece to grain/grain bags.


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Re: first time the proper way [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28660417 - 02/15/24 06:17 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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The first pic looks bacterial from the looks of it. Definitely looks unusual and not in good shape....

As mentioned above, dont squirt spore solution or drop spores directly onto grain. Very bad practice. You can get lucky with a clean syringe occassionally but what happens frequently is spores/spore syringes can carry a bunch of foreign infectious organisms that germinate easily on grain. Thats why its important to check your spores/spore syringe on agar first to confirm its clean then transfer a clean piece to grain/grain bags.




Thank you for your input, Ive removed the tub in question from the others. Im just letting nature take its course now on the 2 26litre tubs as they do show good signs on the casing layer compared to the bacterial tub which has nothing ontop but in theory should have more than the 26l b+ tub has as it was a higher spawn ratio and a much thinner casing layer


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