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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: manOwar]
    #28659229 - 02/14/24 05:17 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Gypsum?

Trich added to gypsum?

What am I missing here.

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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
    #28659263 - 02/14/24 06:34 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

sound frequencies on top of a million different grains, on top of the grains being sprouted; and no hplc testing -is bad science with no controls. 

I studied tons of real research papers on the studies they used to increase the concentration of alkaloids, protein, minerals, ect... ect...

in every instance, when you start adding in a kitchen sink worth of ingredients, you get reduced levels of the good stuff -like proteins and alkaloids.

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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: manOwar]
    #28659303 - 02/14/24 07:39 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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A varied, ( and even a varying,) grain and seed mixture, is a healthy diet for mycelia, I don’t think it’s necessary to buy the high end grain, you sound like you’re planning, but it won’t harm anything. Letting them sprout is general y considered a bad idea, but I’m guessing this may be a milled mixture that is being utilized, in the patent, (I haven’t read the article,) which might make a difference.
I’ll tell you a secret, that you don’t hear many people talking about, just because I like your moxie, Mycellium loves sunflower seeds, in the shell, of course, no salt. I haven’t met anyone that doesn’t.

Thank you, yes I’m in the planning stage of the experiment, also the reason Im buying only organic and HIGH quantities of grain is because mushrooms absorbe all the mycotoxins and heavy metals ect, in there environment, including pesticides….I have tons of organic grains heres a list
15lbs purple corn
15lbs red cargo paddy rice
5lbs brown rice
50lbs organic whole oats
5lbs hulled wheat
5lbs barley rice
5lbs split barley rice
5lbs red and white quinoa
5lbs flaxseeds
5lbs chia seeds
1lb flax seed powder
15lbs pumpkin seeds
15lb squash seeds
1lb brewers gypsum
5lbs oyster shells
A 5 gallon bucket of coffee grounds

I will try sunflower seeds as well, I’ve seen people use pumpkin seeds on here before and there colonization's speed was the quickest but they only were testing against oats and popcorn, I’m not sure if they used a mono culture or how they kept the trial balance but

PLUS THIS IS NOT A QUICK HOBBY I will post my progress but I’m still designing the experiment/ hypothesis so I can post it with REAL SCIENTIFIC RIGOR and not just some bs hippie magic or trust me bro story….. I thought this forum would be more accepting of people who wanted to try to advance the art form but I guess EGO has really started to take over in the world since COVID hit….

Again if anyone wanted to pitch in ideas or help me by being a sounding board I would greatly appreciate it, I will start sprouting my grains later today and tonight I’ll start writhing the final draft for the hypothesis

Much love happy Valentine’s Day, I’m gonna go give the love of my life the best day ever


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k]
    #28659312 - 02/14/24 07:49 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Also regarding the deer poop, no it’s safe I think your thinking of tulereamia from muskrat and beavers and possums and mink…. I do a lot of hunting and trapping and nature work, I’ve never heard of a deer poop virus altho I could be wrong….. I was thinking gathering in spring and summer not winter would be better because there will be more nutrients In it, during winter I figure their diets are more scant and their body’s suck more nutrients out of what they can get, I’m my area they seem to dig up the sprouted acorns and eat the sprouts and eat buds off trees and certain kind of pine trees

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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28659314 - 02/14/24 07:50 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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DERRAYLD said:
Gypsum?

Trich added to gypsum?

What am I missing here.



Yes they put tricoderma In garden gypsum because plants LOVE IT but in theory at least proper sterilization will kill it


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k] * 1
    #28659406 - 02/14/24 10:01 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Just curious, have you grown mushrooms before? If not you really won't have a point of comparison for what you are trying. Mastering accepted basics would be recommended. All this more nutrition stuff, you know what else like more nutrition? Contaminates.
Growing mushrooms can be frustrating at first. There is a lot to observe and understand.
We see a lot of people trying to reinvent the process on their first grow here, but I can't think of a single innovation that has come from that.
I would like to see the results of your experiments, but I think you have to work on techniques that will ensure you are running your control groups properly, and have the experience to make relevant observations on the results.


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k]
    #28659429 - 02/14/24 10:25 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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10k said:
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Gypsum?

Trich added to gypsum?

What am I missing here.



Yes they put tricoderma In garden gypsum because plants LOVE IT but in theory at least proper sterilization will kill it




Why are we adding gypsum though?
Surely you know there's no value in adding gypsum or at least no real measurable need to add it.

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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28659542 - 02/14/24 11:50 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

lol yes i am a mycologist who has made environments for mushrooms to thrive on before from pf tek jars in high skool to all in one bags to shoeboxes and monotubs, useing LC, and agar

Guys I live alone, it’s not like we get to run around town and talk about our hobby I have exactly 2 people in my life my gf and my dad I live in the woods alone, this sight WAS MADE for open dialogue and discussion, idk why some people are getting kinda pissy about me asking questions to try to expand the understanding on how to give our fungi friends an environment to live their best life, which in turn will help US live our best life, to me it sounds like peoples egos are getting in the way of them Possibly learning and or contributing to the advancement of our hobby, I though this would be a much more scientifically minded forum but I’m beginning to think I’m in the wrong place, nobody want to talk science they want to measure dicks and throw sticks


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k] * 2
    #28659554 - 02/14/24 12:03 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

I think my response was pretty valid in bringing up the creation of PE to which you pointed to but didn't address my response.

Let me sum up again.

PE was created through cloning blue aborts.

Grown out on a proprietary blend of compost. Showed higher potency.

Higher potency was maintained when the genetics were shared and grown on other substrates into the modern day on coir grows. (Though there is some speculation the original genetics may be lost)

Taking that one step further, we continue to see strains like APE continually reported as being higher potency. Even when grown from multispore grows.

To me, the evidence is pretty self apparent that when it comes to potency, genetics are king and that the grains we provide already give more than enough nutrition to create the alkaloids we want.

How would you address that? Because I basically see two routes you can go here:

1) yes they are still potent on less nutritious subs but they may be EVEN MORE POTENT if grown on proprietary subs or

2) there may be other alkaloids like norbaeocystin created or in higher quantities if grown on proprietary subs (to which in this case you would need a way to test for these trace molecules which is beyond the capability of 99.999% of our users)

So I think the reason you don't get much interest is because the only way to test these kinds of things is through personal assay (which can be extremely subjective based on set and setting) or expensive scientific equipment beyond the budget of home cultivators.

The ideas are INTERESTING but there just isn't much we can do to actually measure this kind of performance beyond a basic test kit.

What do you think? How do you address my response regarding PE?


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28659555 - 02/14/24 12:03 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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DERRAYLD said:
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10k said:
Quote:

DERRAYLD said:
Gypsum?

Trich added to gypsum?

What am I missing here.



Yes they put tricoderma In garden gypsum because plants LOVE IT but in theory at least proper sterilization will kill it




Why are we adding gypsum though?
Surely you know there's no value in adding gypsum or at least no real measurable need to add it.





If you were a mycologist who had done any research or experiments at all into the science then. You would know that adding gypsum, oyster shell and coffee grounds showed a 15% increase in potency, tested with a machine not just a guess, (imma go look for the research paper but here’s a video)

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Here’s a video were they cover a bunch of stuff, including the benefits of adding gypsum, coffee and oyster shell now you have to believe the person who is saying it,  it that’s why I’m putting together an experiment I’m trying to find A BUNCH of soposed ways to supercharge the spawn and build my own best of the best spawn tek, but not to sell just because I want it and the. I can share it,

Also anyone who has “gRoWn mUsHrOoMz” knows that you don’t grow mushrooms you give them the environment to grow, they do the rest….. in theory you can call that growing but being a farmer it’s nothing like plants

Much love hope everone can come together to help expand the horizon on our hobby


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k]
    #28659556 - 02/14/24 12:06 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

I also was really excited to see mycophile sages caseing with live plants In it but A he is already in the middle of testing that and B. I have enough on my plate already just getting this experiment ready

Peace


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k]
    #28659558 - 02/14/24 12:08 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Depending on how this goes I would love to start doing mythbusters of mycology on here but that’s a stoned thought for another day


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k]
    #28659559 - 02/14/24 12:08 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Your outlined approach was not scientific. I'm just trying to help you achieve significant results.
So do it your way and then watch yourself get flamed after the fact for not following scientific procedure. Seems like you are the one having ego issues.
A mycologist is a very specific title. Something you go to school for. Your lack of understanding about a few simple points tells me that you are not one. You are a mushroom enthusiast and that's an awesome thing to be. Follow your passion and curiosity, that's great!
If you want your results to be respected, don't throw everything at your grow at once and think it will mean anything.


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: thirdeyewild]
    #28659579 - 02/14/24 12:22 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

You are correct that my outline approach is not at all layed out scientificly, I am still gonna write and post my paper just like I did back in school, granted it’s been a few years since I was in college but in my opinion you don’t need school to become something, yes it gives you the sheepskin for the rEaL wOrLd but if you have the moxie, mental fortitude and smarts anyone can learn anything on the internet, you have an almost infinite library/ school at your fingertips the only reason someone would stop learning is because you believed you ether dident need to or knew everything, and hopefully I never get there I love being a student of the world and chaseing any thread that comes loose


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k] * 2
    #28659591 - 02/14/24 12:36 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Still waiting for the response to my addressing the PE story.


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28659716 - 02/14/24 02:55 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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Still waiting for the response to my addressing the PE story.



I am sorry mate, but I don't think he understood your question.


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: Skropi] * 3
    #28659766 - 02/14/24 03:47 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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Still waiting for the response to my addressing the PE story.



I am sorry mate, but I don't think he understood your question.




I guess if I have to phrase it as a question it would be "do, and if so, why, do you think substrate content would be more important than genetics when it comes to potency when there is a plethora of amature data to the contrary?"


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28659936 - 02/14/24 06:19 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

I think both genetics and nutrition is important, I was out on a date it’s Valentine’s Day In america today wasent ignoring you lol, just busy makeing my future wife happy

But I 100% agree with you that genetics are important, in my head tho if you take the same genetics and give one sample good solid nutrition and one, basic single grain my hypothesis is that the one with better nutrition will do better, be stronger bigger more potent, but i am gonna “Shia labuff it” as you say….. you are right too about me doing to many variables at once, I’m gonna take some time to lay out my experiment in a proper way and I can start add in more and more variables as I get data and run tests because if I do get good results and there more then one variable different my results would be meaningless for actual info I guess

I am super dyslexic and adhd so I’m sure my late night word vomits are slightly unhinged, I haven’t actually put this down on paper except for here so getting everything all squared away in my head is difficult, but it might take a bit but I will design, then run some test and will update as soon as I do, I have to do all this alone with nobody to talk to about it so if sometime I seem like I’m talking ALOT it’s because my scatter brain thinks of 5 things at a time

Did I answer your question or am I still misunderstanding the question?


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: 10k]
    #28659938 - 02/14/24 06:22 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Both genetics AND nutrition is important


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Re: New breakthroughs in mycology [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28659960 - 02/14/24 06:38 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

My understanding is that too much nutrition earlier in the life cycle can be potentially detrimental to fruiting, but I certainly could be wrong as a novice cultivator.

I am interested to see how your experiment unfolds.

My guess is that any potential gain in potency will be negligible & will be offset by the prep-time for all of this. Granted I like NSNS.

I currently run a simple mix of millet & rye berries. So I am intrigued by this.

(JakeOncid’s Pan mix: and honestly, if you want more potency grow Pans - which I know potency isn’t your end-all-be-all w/ the experiment)

Please take pictures!

I would love to see all the colorful grains get colonized by myc!

Good luck with it & excited to see how it goes for you!

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