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What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k.
    #28657170 - 02/12/24 05:23 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Hi Guys,
Could really do with some advice I'm absolutely clueless what to do here.

I've included a photo.

So I'm on day 16 of fruiting. I've had about 180 grams wet so far of side pins, unfortunately due to work I didn't get there before the spores dropped. I know the jury is still out on if it stops growth or not.

The Problem is I know you guys hate kits but the instructions for this kit was to refund after the first flush. But only now as you can see the top pins are coming through ( well they were coming through until the spores dropped either that or something has gone wrong in my set up although nothing has really changed to cause this) so I'm at a loss what to do.

For some reason the top pins came in much later than the side pins and now for about 6 days there's been no growth. If I re dunk I'm probably going to destroy all these pins,it happened before as soon as they were soaked the pins just kind of fell off and they were only small so not much use.
So what's you're opinions? Do I keep misting and fanning and wait or re dunk now and the pins will probably be destroyed?

Any reason why the top pins could be struggling so much?

Any advice really appreciated!

I have to go for some surgery soon so don't want to let it dry out but don't want the mushies to be left to drop spores again either. Could it have been the spores that halted growth? So many different opinions online!

The kit I got said you should get between 500g to 1000g

So hopefully some life in it yet! Then pf tek all the way!
To soak or not to soak that is the question! Lol

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: natural gal] * 2
    #28657246 - 02/12/24 06:17 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

It has stalled, it is in need of water or stressed for any number of reasons.  Why not give it water?

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: natural gal]
    #28657266 - 02/12/24 06:31 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

:whathesaid: could be a moisture issue.

What kind of FC is this. All I can see is a few holes and a big piece of tin foil. Doesn't seem like it can provide good conditions.

The most recent standard to fruit cakes is using a water tub.

Fanning is also not recommended anymore since there isn't really a need for it if FAE is provided.

If you have more questions like this then please include a few photos showing the whole setup.

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: BrokenHeart] * 1
    #28657271 - 02/12/24 06:34 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Your fruiting chamber looks suboptimal.

That aluminium foil below the cake and your fanning dries out the cake.

Better use a water tub without the foil and stop fanning.

Edit: Baba beat me to it.

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #28657277 - 02/12/24 06:37 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Looks a bit moldy in the middle. Need a pic with the lid off

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: LadysKnight]
    #28657316 - 02/12/24 07:07 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Completely ridiculous to be promising weight quantities like that to people without any experience.

I also can't tell if I'm seeing mold or blue stumps from where shrooms were cut.

The water tub will give you the best chance to keep things humid during surgery.

Ime spores dropping doesn't do shit.


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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28657678 - 02/12/24 09:42 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Quote:

elasticaltiger said:
Completely ridiculous to be promising weight quantities like that to people without any experience.

I also can't tell if I'm seeing mold or blue stumps from where shrooms were cut.

The water tub will give you the best chance to keep things humid during surgery.

Ime spores dropping doesn't do shit.




Agree with everything tiger said. That company is crazy to tell people they'll get that much outta those kits.

I also belive the water tub would be great for this kit and if you're doing pftek next you'll get more use out of the tub with those cakes as well so not a waste of money.

And ya spores dropping doesn't mean anything. That was old bro science that people would say but no one on these boards says that anymore.

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: WyoMX] * 1
    #28657689 - 02/12/24 09:46 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Unfortunate symptom of the times, doesn't help we have multiple sponsors and vendors doing the same thing daily to new users.

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #28657707 - 02/12/24 09:54 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Ya definitely agree. I used to defend our sponsors but now I only vouch for a couple. Sucks to see them doing that.

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: WyoMX] * 1
    #28659205 - 02/14/24 04:23 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Hi guys thanks so much for your advice,I'd never heard of. Water tub!
The foil is there on advice you don't let the cake touch the perlite. I've included a pic with the lid off and a pic of the front of the fruiting chamber ( I bought it off a website but I don't think I can say the name here)


Hope this helps I've just misted today and they seem to have grown a little bit I'm still unsure of when to soak. But I'll look into the water tub some more.

Also yes I thought there's mold that's why I've been reluctant to mist too much. Although unsure if it is mold or just bruising too

Edited by natural gal (02/14/24 04:24 AM)

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: natural gal]
    #28659207 - 02/14/24 04:27 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

P.s. good to know the spores dropping doesn't cause issues,I'm sure you all know the theory that it signals to the mycelium to stop growing. Glad to know it's incorrect! Really appreciate all you're help guys!

Edited by natural gal (02/14/24 04:42 AM)

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: natural gal]
    #28659208 - 02/14/24 04:27 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Did you buy an empty tub from a vendor?
The same tub you can buy from target for peanuts?

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28659214 - 02/14/24 04:38 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

I have been Reading the info about water tubs,maybe instead of listening to the instructions and pulling it out into a bowl of water and putting a plate on top to weigh it down maybe I should just add water in the bottom for a day? What do you think? Obviously I'd take the tin foil out but leave the perlite in?
What's your more experienced opinions?
As according to the instructions the whole cake has to be submerged with something weighing it down to stop it floating. Could I rehydrate it with just some water at the bottom?
Thank you

Edited by natural gal (02/14/24 04:43 AM)

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28659215 - 02/14/24 04:41 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Yes...and it came damaged feeling royal ripped off.
Although the country I'm in doesn't have a target lol

Edited by natural gal (02/14/24 04:43 AM)

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: natural gal] * 1
    #28659222 - 02/14/24 05:00 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Neither does south africa, but we have multiple plastic outlets that sell any number and size of tubs.

I've fruited in a bucket multiple times.

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: natural gal]
    #28659270 - 02/14/24 06:42 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Dunking the cake gives it hydration. The water tub keeps it hydrated during fruiting. Two different actions. Dunk the cake firs then In your case since there’s already perlite in the tub just dump some water in the bottom, trim up that foil so it only covers the bottom of the cake and set it on the perlite. It’s important that you trim up the foil.

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
    #28659275 - 02/14/24 06:46 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

I know what you mean. Cost me£110 too!
Wish I had made my own.
Any advice about my cake? Thinking of maybe just adding water to the bottom like a inch rather than following the instructions and soakingit weighed down. What do you think would be the best course of action?
Thanks

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: natural gal] * 1
    #28659281 - 02/14/24 06:55 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Bottom watering  should work fine to rehydrate the cake.

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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: natural gal]
    #28659376 - 02/14/24 09:18 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Definitely want to bottom-water that cake to preserve all of your pins that are growing.

Sadly, that FC you bought is bogus. As mentioned above, any sort of clear or clearish bucket or plastic container can work as a FC with minimal modifications.


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Re: What do I do about this cake growth stalled help please! Spores dropped? I.d.k. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28660274 - 02/15/24 01:42 AM (10 months, 26 days ago)

Hi Guys so massive thanks for your advice!
I put some water in the bottom ( although wouldn't it attract bacteria and contamination? Should you change the water daily?)

I have trimmed the foil and I also added some more perlite.

What do you think?
Really appreciate the advice guys I'm doing something right due to your advice as it's trigged growth!
What do you guys think of the cake now? I was scared to add too much water Incase of mould as one member mentioned


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